ZOS please check if solo BG are really randomly assembled teams

AnduinTryggva · December 22

Some teams play so extremely coordinated that I really have heavy doubts that these were really put randomly together. ZOS, pls check if there is no abuse possible somehow that allows coordinated groups to stay together. Some coordinated groups might actually really prefer to queue for solo BG if they manage to stay together than in a grouped BG as the chances to play against an uncoordinated group is higher and hence the win more probable for such groups.

As a work around I suggest a two-step approach for SOLO BG groups:
1. Make groups like now. Fill up 2 x 8-member groups or 2 x 4-member groups.
2. Randomly swap a few players between team 1 and team 2 without possibility to prevent this.

bladenick · December 23

Solo 4v4 , for team balance , it only matter of luck

Even nothing to do with MMR, because of small population querying in specific time frame, just get 8 people to start the game

Sometime get unstoppable winning in a line, and some time always get 20k hp PVEer teammate, even I’m already in high MMR for certain week, try to find some fun as loser side in lopsided match is first thing need to adapt for this Solo 4v4

Random swap team or swap base on balance is good idea, but it requires more intelligence algorithms, it look not a easy task to implemented , it luxurious to ask more, as for now we even don’t get feature that only start BG after all player confirm ready check,

xylena_lazarow · December 23

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

Some teams play so extremely coordinated

It's players who have run in ball groups or organized smallscale for years. They know the tactics so well they can do them with any randoms that are also familiar with the tactics. They bring builds designed for playing in groups. They even occasionally use the group text chat to change strats. When these players end up on the same team yeah they look pretty organized. But it's far from every game, and nobody is untouchable on their own.

CameraBeardThePirate · December 23

If i get into a BG with other players I recognize as BG vets, I throw a quick "here's what I'm wearing, look for this combo" into the chat. Thats all it takes to appear coordinated.

AnduinTryggva · December 24

Maybe so. But please consider that according to my experience 95% of all matches are extremely unbalanced. It is a high scoring team against a low scoring team in 19 out of 20 matches.

This clearly is a strong indicator that match making is completely broken.

You have one team with knowledge how to play and the other just running like the definition of chaos and thinking they can solo this.

And this is CONSISTENT experience.

Just had a death match 0:500 in less than 4 min. This is NOT balanced. This was 8vs8 so in case some would like to blame it just on me...

Thumbless_Bot · December 24

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

If i get into a BG with other players I recognize as BG vets, I throw a quick "here's what I'm wearing, look for this combo" into the chat. Thats all it takes to appear coordinated.

I check health bars. This, to me, is the clearest indicator on which way the bg will go. The lower the average health of my team, the more likely we will lose, and vice versa.

I yell out, "food check".

Then ask if we have a healer if I don't already recognize any. Then I say, "heal me" and then link to my pale order ring to see if anyone gets it.

Then I look at the other team to get a sense of how sweaty they are and any particular people who i know play with particular sets that shouldn't be in the game like roa or Dark Convergence and tell my team to watch out for them.

I don't run proc sets so I don't share my build. I mean, i share my build with anyone who asks but i dont see any value in it in a bg. However, if I ran stuff that I thought my teammates could take advantage of i would share. For example, if I was running acuity den build I would definitely share that.

Then, as soon as the bg starts, if it does in fact start, and if it's 8v8, I run and get the closest sigil.