anything ever going to be done about over 60% of pvp being sorc and nb

H_E · December 1

or is pvp just going to be left to die and not being a sorc or nb being a reportable offense for trolling

dark_hunterxmg · December 1

People play what's good. Once something else is better, they'll move in to that. Happens every time.

H_E · December 1

meta is fine, but when the meta picks a degrees of magnitudes better than everything else it becomes boring and uninteractive

the current meta picks auto win even skill match ups and can choose to not lose any fight they want

Thumbless_Bot · December 2

The only thing missing from each class would be to add ward to cloak and cloak to ward. Then they would have perfected those two classes. The cosmetic changed they made with u44 have done nothing to address the issue. They need to buff other classes and not nerf these classes imho.

Turtle_Bot · December 2

TBF, the PvP meta has almost always been horribly unbalanced, just with differing flavors at the top. How quickly the players seem to have forgotten:

- perma corrosive DK
- perma CC frostden
- Polar wind healbot wardens
- PotL spam 1 button plar
- convergence necros
- intensive mender 1 bar bombcros
- NB stealth bomber that could tank/deal damage like U42 wardsorcs
- perma (bugged) CC proc-arcs
- savage werewolf stamsorcs
and yes even the (very) old metas like:
- shield stacking magsorcs
- permarolling NBs
- Ranged Bleed-blades
- Caluurions NB
- wing DKs
- bubble plars
- release wardens
- release necros
just to name a few of the old unbalanced metas that people have complained about.

U34 was probably the last (and probably also the only) time we actually had a relatively balanced meta outside of 2 specific specs:
- Savage werewolf proc stamsorc (which was too strong)
- magblade (which was too weak).

U35 completely destroyed that balance though, gutting all sorcs, overbuffing NB/DK and Warden and transformed plar from a melee brawler to ranged nuker. Every patch since then has just been a complete mess of over buffing (see ward) or over nerfing (see necro/plar) to try (and fail) to bring that balance back.

On the topic of current ward sorc specifically, speaking from experience here, take away ward (leaving heal soul/vibrant shroud as the burst heal option) OR reduce max mag potential by about 10% (bound aegis max mag) and sorc basically drops down to DKs level (which is a decent spot). The current state of Ward combined with the ability to stack that much max mag is hard carrying magsorcs current power imbalance in PvP.

Major_Mangle · December 2

People severely overrate how strong NB is, especially now after the cloak changes. Outside of sorc being too strong and necro being quite awkward (outside of certain group scenarios) PvP balance isn't too awful. It ain't perfect by any means and some fine tunement here and there for certain classes (like templar and arc) would be nice, but sorc is the only really " S tier" spec at the moment that need some adjustments (mainly hardened ward).

dark_hunterxmg · December 3

Cloak still does cloak things. Nightblade is still very strong, even with that skill change.

RaidingTraiding · December 15

Nb isn't overrated. If you use vamp then cloaking isn't really an issue. Even non vamp it still feels pretty manageable. Bow proc is one of if not the hardest hitting skill in the game. Couple that with stealth desync hits and its pretty powerful. Only reliable counter is detect pots imo. So nb still is in a good spot.

Wish there was a better streak counter. It's too easy for sorcs to pick and choose what fights they engage in. Not to mention overload desync and mages wrath/endless fury desync is annoying. The other day a sorc spammed mages wrath on me and it all desynced and I got hit with 3 execute procs of that skill all at once. Pretty engaging gameplay.

Durham · December 17

I see way more wardens then anything else!

VinnyGambini · December 23

The way I see it:

D tier- necro
C tier- arcanist, templar
B tier- warden , dk
A tier- nightblade
S tier- none
S + - sorcerer.

So its really easy to fix, necro needs big buff, arc and templar small buffs, nb small survivability nerf, sorcerer needs dramatic nerf in basically any field.

Thats all we need.

Thumbless_Bot · December 23

VinnyGambini wrote: »

The way I see it:

D tier- necro
C tier- arcanist, templar
B tier- warden , dk
A tier- nightblade
S tier- none
S + - sorcerer.

So its really easy to fix, necro needs big buff, arc and templar small buffs, nb small survivability nerf, sorcerer needs dramatic nerf in basically any field.

Thats all we need.

I think plar and warden are a tier and nb is s tier. But I do agree with the sentiment I think you are trying to relay here.

Tommy_The_Gun · December 24

Major_Mangle wrote: »

People severely overrate how strong NB is, especially now after the cloak changes. Outside of sorc being too strong and necro being quite awkward (outside of certain group scenarios) PvP balance isn't too awful. It ain't perfect by any means and some fine tunement here and there for certain classes (like templar and arc) would be nice, but sorc is the only really " S tier" spec at the moment that need some adjustments (mainly hardened ward).

That is because people for the most part don't "update" their opinion on things they don't use or play much. Usually it takes like minimum 1 year for this to happen and for the new "public opinion" to establish. If you play NB a lot, then you know what I know & this knowledge will spread over time.

However, If you are on the "receiving end" only, as you don't play certain class at all, then you won't be objective and would most likely demand more nerfs (if something will ever dare to kill you), or buffs to what is familiar to you and you think it requires them.

NB with pre-nerf cloak & Veiled Strike in Shadow skill line for the most part was in A++ or S tier, but only for solo PvP. Even back then, class was really bad in a group play PvP & PvE and mediocre for solo PvE at best.

With changes that were made, I would guess NB will go to "A" or "A minus" in solo PvP & overall B or B+ (when taking into account all types of content). But again - it will take some time.