We need more Minor Prophecy/Savagery

johnJrant · December 19

Let's discuss the monopoly of Sorki/NB on Minor Prophecy/Savagery

I firmly believe that the use of these buffs needs to be expanded. We already have 7 classes and now is the time.
My suggestion for correcting the situation.
1. Give Minor Prophecy to the necromancer (Read more in the post about the necromancer's balance 4td com.)
2. Give Minor Savagery to the ARC (I don't play as an arcanist that much. Pvp players for the arcanist need to write themselves how it will be more convenient to receive this buff.)
3. Give Minor Prophecy/Savagery to the Scrybing. (soul burst, ulfsilda, bow, two hand, offer more)

Because teams without NB and sorc are now having difficulty with a critical rating in front of teams where they are. And this is becoming not uncommon.

What do you think about this?

MincMincMinc · December 19

Just get rid of spell and weapon crit and make it crit already

forum_gpt · December 19

With the hybridization changes, it makes no sense to keep Prophecy and Savagery as separate buffs when they do the exact same thing—boost critical chance, just for different sources of damage. Combining them into a single buff would not only simplify gameplay but could also reduce server lag by cutting down on unnecessary buff tracking.

This kind of streamlining aligns perfectly with the hybrid approach ZOS has been pushing and would benefit everyone, from PvE players to those in Cyrodiil struggling with performance. It’s time to let go of outdated distinctions and focus on efficiency.

johnJrant · December 19

forum_gpt wrote: »

With the hybridization changes, it makes no sense to keep Prophecy and Savagery as separate buffs when they do the exact same thing—boost critical chance, just for different sources of damage. Combining them into a single buff would not only simplify gameplay but could also reduce server lag by cutting down on unnecessary buff tracking.

This kind of streamlining aligns perfectly with the hybrid approach ZOS has been pushing and would benefit everyone, from PvE players to those in Cyrodiil struggling with performance. It’s time to let go of outdated distinctions and focus on efficiency.

Yes, I agree with that, but it won't solve the small presence of a minor buff.

johnJrant · December 19

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Just get rid of spell and weapon crit and make it crit already

To be honest, it's strange. Two comments that do not touch on the specified topic. Do you happen to be playing for Sorс or NB and don't you just want to simplify life even more for already unbalanced classes? Combining buffs will not increase the number of sources of the minor version of the buff in any way. I wrote specifically about the number of buff sources. At the moment, this is a privilege of only two classes. If you combine buffs, you will make the two classes even more unbalanced.

Navaac223 · December 19

johnJrant wrote: »

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Just get rid of spell and weapon crit and make it crit already

To be honest, it's strange. Two comments that do not touch on the specified topic. Do you happen to be playing for Sorс or NB and don't you just want to simplify life even more for already unbalanced classes? Combining buffs will not increase the number of sources of the minor version of the buff in any way. I wrote specifically about the number of buff sources. At the moment, this is a privilege of only two classes. If you combine buffs, you will make the two classes even more unbalanced.

Combining the two won't mean nb and sorc will get better, in fact, it would change nothing. He was just saying that we don't need to confuse players with magicka and stamina versions of the same thing

johnJrant · December 19

Navaac223 wrote: »

Combining the two won't mean nb and sorc will get better, in fact, it would change nothing. He was just saying that we don't need to confuse players with magicka and stamina versions of the same thing

The point is not about this in the post. I wrote about the minor version of the buff on crit chance. The division of buffs into crit chance is a completely different topic.

moosegod · December 20

I don't think more classes need the buff in their class abilities. Almost all classes (poor necro lol) have access to a minor buff they can contribute to group play. Outside of Oakensoul ring you can't really get these buffs elsewhere.

In the base game DK had brutality, templar had sorcery, NB had savagery and sorc had prophecy. These 4 came together in harmony for those basic combat buffs. At the time, you couldn't get these buffs other than through the class passives.

Next, warden was introduced and they could provide minor toughness. Arcanist provides minor evasion. Necro does need a group buff in their passives but it shouldn't be savagery or prophecy. However, I can't think of one that wouldn't break their kit so maybe thats why they don't have a unique minor buff in their passives.

I also don't agree with what others are saying in making them one buff. I need that extra weapon damage on my Oakfather's PvP build lol. Also it would be a straight buff to sorc and nb who don't really need that right now.

MincMincMinc · December 20

johnJrant wrote: »

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Just get rid of spell and weapon crit and make it crit already

To be honest, it's strange. Two comments that do not touch on the specified topic. Do you happen to be playing for Sorс or NB and don't you just want to simplify life even more for already unbalanced classes? Combining buffs will not increase the number of sources of the minor version of the buff in any way. I wrote specifically about the number of buff sources. At the moment, this is a privilege of only two classes. If you combine buffs, you will make the two classes even more unbalanced.

Not really, combining buffs would help most of everyone since the pot system is one of the best ways to get crit in pvp..... however pots still force you to only get stam recov with savagery or mag recov with prophecy.

I do play stamsorc, but i use spell crit anyways so it wouldn't affect me much. Granted now I've been playing warden because it is just flat out a better class. I think many sources of major in the game could be minor instead. For instance on warden, maybe instead of having 20+major buffs on the class it could be cut down to minors. By comparison my stamsorc gets 4-5 major buffs.

System wise they should restructure the stats to what their vision is first, and then rework and redistribute buffs during the next class rework.

XSTRONG · December 20

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Just get rid of spell and weapon crit and make it crit already

Yes please!!

johnJrant · December 20

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Not really, combining buffs would help most of everyone since the pot system is one of the best ways to get crit in pvp..... however pots still force you to only get stam recov with savagery or mag recov with prophecy.

I do play stamsorc, but i use spell crit anyways so it wouldn't affect me much. Granted now I've been playing warden because it is just flat out a better class. I think many sources of major in the game could be minor instead. For instance on warden, maybe instead of having 20+major buffs on the class it could be cut down to minors. By comparison my stamsorc gets 4-5 major buffs.
System wise they should restructure the stats to what their vision is first, and then rework and redistribute buffs during the next class rework.

Well, uniting the Crit will make life easier for the stamSorc. you get +1300 crit on stam skill. How i say.
Actually, it's just funny. You play for Stam sorс, but now you're on wardan because he's got tons of hill right now. I hope you don't happen to be in 4x4, it's these players who turn the game into boring garbage. At the moment, the wardans are simply turning BG into a dull squalor. Play the necromancer, but for now you're only chasing after where ZOS did something unbalanced. You are one of the causes of the imbalance problems in the game. If you want to show that you can do something, switch to a necromancer.
The most disgusting thing is that, as I wrote in another post, Sorс is the most unbalanced class, but you are still not enough, you want it to be even easier, you want even more criticism for your cowardly sorс. It seems to me that you will never calm down, you will need more and more tricks for the cowardly sorc. You already have a set from the archive for +15% damage, necromancers don't even dream about it, but it's not enough for you. And you don't want anyone to get your buffs. Disgusting. Cowardly sorс. Why do these sorс come to the topic where they are asked to balance the unfair advantage of sorс and try to change the topic to make their lives even easier? The topic concerns other classes. Cowardly sorс.
The Sorks have already gotten too much, this class needs to be cut.

johnJrant · December 20

What the game definitely does not need is any changes that will make Sorс and NB at least 0.001% better, and life easier. These are absolutely imbalances that have a huge number of advantages. You're not actually playing for these classes, they're playing for you. So forget the illusion that you're getting anywhere. It was ZOS who managed to make a class where it is almost impossible to lie down. Cowardly sorс.

MincMincMinc · December 20

johnJrant wrote: »

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Not really, combining buffs would help most of everyone since the pot system is one of the best ways to get crit in pvp..... however pots still force you to only get stam recov with savagery or mag recov with prophecy.

I do play stamsorc, but i use spell crit anyways so it wouldn't affect me much. Granted now I've been playing warden because it is just flat out a better class. I think many sources of major in the game could be minor instead. For instance on warden, maybe instead of having 20+major buffs on the class it could be cut down to minors. By comparison my stamsorc gets 4-5 major buffs.
System wise they should restructure the stats to what their vision is first, and then rework and redistribute buffs during the next class rework.

Well, uniting the Crit will make life easier for the stamSorc. you get +1300 crit on stam skill.

Uhh you know all skills use your highest crit. So a skill like dizzy swing will use spell crit if it is higher. Sorry, but you just proved the point of new player confusion when it comes to the half hybridized stats.

I've played all classes since 2014. Stamsorc is literal dogtier right now next to templar and necro. Nb is hardly an issue, if anything it is mid tier. Acuity/rallying warden is clearly on top and free kills (i dont use acuity). Magsorc is only considered second because hardened ward shouldnt have the heal on it. Zos should have put the heal on an unused morph instead to force a tough bar choice.

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