How to convert Frostbite set damage to a flat spell damage number.

LittlePinkDot · December 3

Like the title says, I'm trying to figure out how much damage all of Frosbites damage sources would covert into a flat spell damage number.

If I'm comparing Frostbite with NMA, how do I know which does more damage and by how much.

Obviously would be using frost skills...

Urzigurumash · December 3

645 total, as far as it matters to your choices, if we look at things in terms of the named buffs. Frostbite gives you about Minor + Major Berserk, which is equivalent to Minor + Major Courage at 645 Weapon Damage.

But you can't make a perfect comparison without all of the variables, because Weapon Damage is only one variable in the tooltip equation, you need to know the skill's co-efficient, your prior Weapon Damage, and your Stam or Mag.

You can however make a perfect comparison between Penetration and Damage Done, and in all of my testing it seems that Minor + Major Breach is perfectly equivalent to Minor + Major Berserk.

So to me, the best answer you can get that is that Frostbite gives 645 Weapon Damage with all 3 conditions satisifed.

So yes, it's better than NMA. I would say much better, I always use it if Ice Comet is my ult.

Edit: for dealing damage that is, NMA also buffs Healing. We should always assume that equivalently sourced Weapon Damage gives you less damage than equivalently sourced Pen or Damage Done because of this. The above just shows you a ballpark of how much more Weapon Damage Frostbite probably gives you against a target.

LittlePinkDot · December 3

Urzigurumash wrote: »

645 total, as far as it matters to your choices, if we look at things in terms of the named buffs. Frostbite gives you about Minor + Major Berserk, which is equivalent to Minor + Major Courage at 645 Weapon Damage.

But you can't make a perfect comparison without all of the variables, because Weapon Damage is only one variable in the tooltip equation, you need to know the skill's co-efficient, your prior Weapon Damage, and your Stam or Mag.

You can however make a perfect comparison between Penetration and Damage Done, and in all of my testing it seems that Minor + Major Breach is perfectly equivalent to Minor + Major Berserk.

So to me, the best answer you can get that is that Frostbite gives 645 Weapon Damage with all 3 conditions satisifed.

So yes, it's better than NMA. I would say much better, I always use it if Ice Comet is my ult.

Edit: for dealing damage that is, NMA also buffs Healing. We should always assume that equivalently sourced Weapon Damage gives you less damage than equivalently sourced Pen or Damage Done because of this. The above just shows you a ballpark of how much more Weapon Damage Frostbite probably gives you against a target.

Yeah I'm making an Arcanist PvP frost mage and want to use ice comet ultimate, but the build is really built around Tentacular dread which is frost damage. And chilling soul with class mastery to generate crux. Rune of colourless pool stun is an on demand minor vulnerability.
I'm wondering how frostbite will specifically affect Tentacular dread and stack with its 20% increase damage with 3 crux.
Crafty Alfiq set for a bigger chakram shield.

ESO_Nightingale · December 4

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

645 total, as far as it matters to your choices, if we look at things in terms of the named buffs. Frostbite gives you about Minor + Major Berserk, which is equivalent to Minor + Major Courage at 645 Weapon Damage.

But you can't make a perfect comparison without all of the variables, because Weapon Damage is only one variable in the tooltip equation, you need to know the skill's co-efficient, your prior Weapon Damage, and your Stam or Mag.

You can however make a perfect comparison between Penetration and Damage Done, and in all of my testing it seems that Minor + Major Breach is perfectly equivalent to Minor + Major Berserk.

So to me, the best answer you can get that is that Frostbite gives 645 Weapon Damage with all 3 conditions satisifed.

So yes, it's better than NMA. I would say much better, I always use it if Ice Comet is my ult.

Edit: for dealing damage that is, NMA also buffs Healing. We should always assume that equivalently sourced Weapon Damage gives you less damage than equivalently sourced Pen or Damage Done because of this. The above just shows you a ballpark of how much more Weapon Damage Frostbite probably gives you against a target.

Yeah I'm making an Arcanist PvP frost mage and want to use ice comet ultimate, but the build is really built around Tentacular dread which is frost damage. And chilling soul with class mastery to generate crux. Rune of colourless pool stun is an on demand minor vulnerability.
I'm wondering how frostbite will specifically affect Tentacular dread and stack with its 20% increase damage with 3 crux.
Crafty Alfiq set for a bigger chakram shield.

you got a good source of chilled proc?

ESO_Nightingale · December 9

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

645 total, as far as it matters to your choices, if we look at things in terms of the named buffs. Frostbite gives you about Minor + Major Berserk, which is equivalent to Minor + Major Courage at 645 Weapon Damage.

But you can't make a perfect comparison without all of the variables, because Weapon Damage is only one variable in the tooltip equation, you need to know the skill's co-efficient, your prior Weapon Damage, and your Stam or Mag.

You can however make a perfect comparison between Penetration and Damage Done, and in all of my testing it seems that Minor + Major Breach is perfectly equivalent to Minor + Major Berserk.

So to me, the best answer you can get that is that Frostbite gives 645 Weapon Damage with all 3 conditions satisifed.

So yes, it's better than NMA. I would say much better, I always use it if Ice Comet is my ult.

Edit: for dealing damage that is, NMA also buffs Healing. We should always assume that equivalently sourced Weapon Damage gives you less damage than equivalently sourced Pen or Damage Done because of this. The above just shows you a ballpark of how much more Weapon Damage Frostbite probably gives you against a target.

Yeah I'm making an Arcanist PvP frost mage and want to use ice comet ultimate, but the build is really built around Tentacular dread which is frost damage. And chilling soul with class mastery to generate crux. Rune of colourless pool stun is an on demand minor vulnerability.
I'm wondering how frostbite will specifically affect Tentacular dread and stack with its 20% increase damage with 3 crux.
Crafty Alfiq set for a bigger chakram shield.

you got a good source of chilled proc?

Weakness to elements and nunatak.
For some reason weakness to elements ALWAYS procs Nunatak. Very reliable.

Pretty solid uptime but not full I'd say. Nunatak has very short uptime. And its not enough to fill all gaps created by elemental susceptibility. You'd want a frost enchant. If you're losing 4% damage done due to subpar uptime you want to fix that immediately.

Urzigurumash · December 3

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

645 total, as far as it matters to your choices, if we look at things in terms of the named buffs. Frostbite gives you about Minor + Major Berserk, which is equivalent to Minor + Major Courage at 645 Weapon Damage.

But you can't make a perfect comparison without all of the variables, because Weapon Damage is only one variable in the tooltip equation, you need to know the skill's co-efficient, your prior Weapon Damage, and your Stam or Mag.

You can however make a perfect comparison between Penetration and Damage Done, and in all of my testing it seems that Minor + Major Breach is perfectly equivalent to Minor + Major Berserk.

So to me, the best answer you can get that is that Frostbite gives 645 Weapon Damage with all 3 conditions satisifed.

So yes, it's better than NMA. I would say much better, I always use it if Ice Comet is my ult.

Edit: for dealing damage that is, NMA also buffs Healing. We should always assume that equivalently sourced Weapon Damage gives you less damage than equivalently sourced Pen or Damage Done because of this. The above just shows you a ballpark of how much more Weapon Damage Frostbite probably gives you against a target.

Yeah I'm making an Arcanist PvP frost mage and want to use ice comet ultimate, but the build is really built around Tentacular dread which is frost damage. And chilling soul with class mastery to generate crux. Rune of colourless pool stun is an on demand minor vulnerability.
I'm wondering how frostbite will specifically affect Tentacular dread and stack with its 20% increase damage with 3 crux.
Crafty Alfiq set for a bigger chakram shield.

On that I'm not quite sure, theoretically the percentile buffs of Frostbite and Tentacular Dread "weaken" the effect of each other, but I think the final damage result will still be higher with Frostbite than NMA. Each new percentile buff weakens the effect of every existing percentile buff. Worth a test on a dummy.

LittlePinkDot · December 4

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

645 total, as far as it matters to your choices, if we look at things in terms of the named buffs. Frostbite gives you about Minor + Major Berserk, which is equivalent to Minor + Major Courage at 645 Weapon Damage.

But you can't make a perfect comparison without all of the variables, because Weapon Damage is only one variable in the tooltip equation, you need to know the skill's co-efficient, your prior Weapon Damage, and your Stam or Mag.

You can however make a perfect comparison between Penetration and Damage Done, and in all of my testing it seems that Minor + Major Breach is perfectly equivalent to Minor + Major Berserk.

So to me, the best answer you can get that is that Frostbite gives 645 Weapon Damage with all 3 conditions satisifed.

So yes, it's better than NMA. I would say much better, I always use it if Ice Comet is my ult.

Edit: for dealing damage that is, NMA also buffs Healing. We should always assume that equivalently sourced Weapon Damage gives you less damage than equivalently sourced Pen or Damage Done because of this. The above just shows you a ballpark of how much more Weapon Damage Frostbite probably gives you against a target.

Yeah I'm making an Arcanist PvP frost mage and want to use ice comet ultimate, but the build is really built around Tentacular dread which is frost damage. And chilling soul with class mastery to generate crux. Rune of colourless pool stun is an on demand minor vulnerability.
I'm wondering how frostbite will specifically affect Tentacular dread and stack with its 20% increase damage with 3 crux.
Crafty Alfiq set for a bigger chakram shield.

you got a good source of chilled proc?

Weakness to elements and nunatak.
For some reason weakness to elements ALWAYS procs Nunatak. Very reliable.

AvidNecro · December 7

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Like the title says, I'm trying to figure out how much damage all of Frosbites damage sources would covert into a flat spell damage number.

If I'm comparing Frostbite with NMA, how do I know which does more damage and by how much.

Obviously would be using frost skills...

I would drop the arcanist idea and bring frostbite to a necromancer since they have chilled status effects built into their toolkit, video for reference (Yes this is my build).

https://youtu.be/Taqo8jAGWaY?si=t9THduZozhWoNdJv

LittlePinkDot · December 8

AvidNecro wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Like the title says, I'm trying to figure out how much damage all of Frosbites damage sources would covert into a flat spell damage number.

If I'm comparing Frostbite with NMA, how do I know which does more damage and by how much.

Obviously would be using frost skills...

I would drop the arcanist idea and bring frostbite to a necromancer since they have chilled status effects built into their toolkit, video for reference (Yes this is my build). https://youtu.be/Taqo8jAGWaY?si=t9THduZozhWoNdJv

That looks like a fun PVE build to me. I consider ground effect skills to be PVE. In PvP people move out of the way. I have a stamina bow necromancer that's been sitting there doing nothing. This gives me an idea for her someday.

ZoS really nerfed my stamina Bowcanist when they nerfed impervious runeward, and I'm miffed about it.

So I decided to try to replace her by using the armory system to change my PVE magicka tank arcanist to a PvP frost Arcanist.
She won't have problem getting the chilled status effect with elemental susceptibility. And Arcanist has a passive called 'psychic lesion' that increases the damage of status effects and increases the chance.

It might be surprising, but I'm not using a frost staff. I'm using a lightning staff because the increase to direct damage is just too juicy to ignore. So I can't use skills like clench or elemental blockade because they won't be frost.
Minor brittle is on the Arcanists stun, 'Rune of the colourless pool's along with minor vulnerability. So I really don't need a frost staff to get that either.

I'm wondering how you still have 30k health when you only have half your attribute points into health?
I only have 10 attribute points into Magicka because I need the rest into health to reach 30k.
With Crafty Alfiq I have 27k Magicka, I would love to be able to put half my attribute points into Magicka like you did. It would make my chakram shield even stronger.
My goal was to shield stack chakram shield on front bar and impervious runeward on back bar and mimic Sorcs hardened ward. No matter which bar I'm on I've got a big shield.

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