Why doesn't the Heal Absorption for Borrowed Time (Time Stop Morph) Scale with Weapon/Spell Damage?

Avran_Sylt · November 19

Heals typically scale with Weapon and Spell Damage, so shouldn't a Heal Negation ability also try to scale with Weapon and Spell Damage?

YandereGirlfriend · November 19

This is actually a pretty cool suggestion. Heal Absorption in all forms could stand to be buffed.

Necrotech_Master · November 19

yeah heal absorption is both uncommon and woefully underpowered

most avg heal absorb skills only do about 4500 heal absorb, the avg heal most people can do is at least equal up to double of that

in a 1v1 it might be ok at countering like 5 sec worth of a single hot, but with 2 hots and a burst heal most heal absorb lasts maybe 2 GCD if that

Avran_Sylt · November 19

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

yeah heal absorption is both uncommon and woefully underpowered

most avg heal absorb skills only do about 4500 heal absorb, the avg heal most people can do is at least equal up to double of that

in a 1v1 it might be ok at countering like 5 sec worth of a single hot, but with 2 hots and a burst heal most heal absorb lasts maybe 2 GCD if that

There's also the fact that it only applies the Healing absorption if the skill lands the stun (so if they're CC immune it can't apply the healing negation), and that the player doesn't move out of the zone, or that you don't get interrupted in any manner while performing the channel.

Given the channel itself, you can view the total healing absorption as half it's actual value when considering it compared to other abilities that can be tossed out twice (plus weaving), in the time it would take for the skill to complete.

So it's effectively 2500 heal absorption per second on CC vulnerable targets (that then lose their CC vulnerability once the skill lands, while doing no damage) that stay within an area for at least 2 seconds so long as you're not interrupted. (That also is ineffective against damage shields).

Necrotech_Master · November 19

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

yeah heal absorption is both uncommon and woefully underpowered

most avg heal absorb skills only do about 4500 heal absorb, the avg heal most people can do is at least equal up to double of that

in a 1v1 it might be ok at countering like 5 sec worth of a single hot, but with 2 hots and a burst heal most heal absorb lasts maybe 2 GCD if that

There's also the fact that it only applies the Healing absorption if the skill lands the stun (so if they're CC immune it can't apply the healing negation), and that the player doesn't move out of the zone, or that you don't get interrupted in any manner while performing the channel.

Given the channel itself, you can view the total healing absorption as half it's actual value when considering it compared to other abilities that can be tossed out twice (plus weaving), in the time it would take for the skill to complete.

So it's effectively 2500 heal absorption per second on CC vulnerable targets (that then lose their CC vulnerability once the skill lands, while doing no damage) that stay within an area for at least 2 seconds so long as you're not interrupted. (That also is ineffective against damage shields).

i was also thinking along the lines of the proc set that does heal absorb, but that one has a slow easy to avoid telegraph and small area of effect

but with the cooldown on the set, it would have even lower heal absorb per sec than the psijic skill

almost better off just stacking major/minor defile in the end

BixenteN7Akantor · November 19

Playing as Tank sometimes, I know well about Heal Absorption from enemies in Dungeons and Trials ^^
But the Heal Absorption you can apply is extremely rare :
-Borrowed Time skill
-Soldier of Anguish set
-Poison of Heroism (yes yes)
-Trauma script
Annnnnd that's all !

Avran_Sylt · November 19

BixenteN7Akantor wrote: »

Playing as Tank sometimes, I know well about Heal Absorption from enemies in Dungeons and Trials ^^
But the Heal Absorption you can apply is extremely rare :
-Borrowed Time skill
-Soldier of Anguish set
-Poison of Heroism (yes yes)
-Trauma script
Annnnnd that's all !

Interesting, I didn't know about the posion and trauma script.

Does the Trauma script scale with anything, or is it flat value?

robpr · November 21

ZoS always was scared shitless about this effect. Soldier of Anguish used to just apply the effect, barely anyone used it or complained about it and it got nerfed to leave a rune on the ground.

robpr · November 21

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

BixenteN7Akantor wrote: »

Playing as Tank sometimes, I know well about Heal Absorption from enemies in Dungeons and Trials ^^
But the Heal Absorption you can apply is extremely rare :
-Borrowed Time skill
-Soldier of Anguish set
-Poison of Heroism (yes yes)
-Trauma script
Annnnnd that's all !

Interesting, I didn't know about the posion and trauma script.

Does the Trauma script scale with anything, or is it flat value?

Checked out of curiosity, and indeed Trauma scales of damage stat. The problem is that the healing around is so strong you would have to apply trauma all the time to get any meaningful result, and script is available only to Elemental Explosion and Trample, skills with lengthy cast time. Elemental Explosion have a slightly higher trauma value than Trample, and both skills can also apply minor defile. Tooltip with 4.7k weapon damage:

Taril · November 21

Healing Absorb would really need an overhaul in how it is implemented to really become a thing.

The way that Healing Absorb functions as a mechanic, is that it prolongs the window for which burst damage can be dangerous, by providing that buffer before someone can begin to recover via healing. (For other games this can force usage of less resource efficient but more time efficient skill usage, since you need to overcome the buffer AND then restore the target to a safe level of health)

Healing Absorb by itself, is useless. It has to be paired up with a source of damage to matter, otherwise it's not doing anything. With this damage needing to be focused around bursting a target to death to have a significant impact.

Even when considering burst windows, the current game has shields being prevalent (And quite powerful) which is unaffected by heal absorb at all.

Overall, the mechanic is flawed in ESO due to:

1) Low values
2) Low duration
3) Invalidation by common shield abilities

Meanwhile, you have the much better Defile which is not only more available, it doesn't come instead of damage (It's an Affix Script or secondary effect on skills) AND it affects shields too.