Marauder Gothmau is bugged with companions

Necrotech_Master · November 12

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Isobel drops out of combat with Gothmau constantly and 100% of the time. Just sheaths her sword mid-fight and runs over to me.

i think most of the companions do

azander only seems to work semi consistently because he has a ranged taunt (ranged dps companions still target gothmau fine but anything melee and they act like his out of range or something)

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

azander works better with this because he has a ranged taunt by default that works more reliably than an ice staff taunt

the companion ice staff taunt has always been a bit sketchy if it works or not

they really really need to reduce the cooldown on the undaunted taunt so every companion has the option of a ranged taunt, just increase the synergy cooldown if that really matters

I split Azandar's gear 6 Vigorous / 6 Quickened. and the cooldown is short enough for comfort IMHO. I usually roll dodge once or twice by default anyway when Gothmau comes chargin up on me, and by that time Azandar's taunt is usually up.

i think without any quickened stuff, azanders taunt lasts for 15 sec and has a cooldown of somewhere between 14.8 and 15.2 sec

a couple quickened should put the cooldown under 15 sec for sure (they only use the taunt when enemy not already taunted, so you dont need the cooldown super low on it, just enough so it comes back up just before taunt runs out)

DenverRalphy · November 12

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Isobel drops out of combat with Gothmau constantly and 100% of the time. Just sheaths her sword mid-fight and runs over to me.

i think most of the companions do

azander only seems to work semi consistently because he has a ranged taunt (ranged dps companions still target gothmau fine but anything melee and they act like his out of range or something)

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

azander works better with this because he has a ranged taunt by default that works more reliably than an ice staff taunt

the companion ice staff taunt has always been a bit sketchy if it works or not

they really really need to reduce the cooldown on the undaunted taunt so every companion has the option of a ranged taunt, just increase the synergy cooldown if that really matters

I split Azandar's gear 6 Vigorous / 6 Quickened. and the cooldown is short enough for comfort IMHO. I usually roll dodge once or twice by default anyway when Gothmau comes chargin up on me, and by that time Azandar's taunt is usually up.

i think without any quickened stuff, azanders taunt lasts for 15 sec and has a cooldown of somewhere between 14.8 and 15.2 sec

a couple quickened should put the cooldown under 15 sec for sure (they only use the taunt when enemy not already taunted, so you dont need the cooldown super low on it, just enough so it comes back up just before taunt runs out)

That would be true for when Azandar already has him taunted. But if Gothmau appears just after Azandar recently used his taunt on a different or dead trash enemy, you're stuck waiting out the rest of the cooldown. So you want that cooldown to be as short as possible.

Necrotech_Master · November 12

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Isobel drops out of combat with Gothmau constantly and 100% of the time. Just sheaths her sword mid-fight and runs over to me.

i think most of the companions do

azander only seems to work semi consistently because he has a ranged taunt (ranged dps companions still target gothmau fine but anything melee and they act like his out of range or something)

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

azander works better with this because he has a ranged taunt by default that works more reliably than an ice staff taunt

the companion ice staff taunt has always been a bit sketchy if it works or not

they really really need to reduce the cooldown on the undaunted taunt so every companion has the option of a ranged taunt, just increase the synergy cooldown if that really matters

I split Azandar's gear 6 Vigorous / 6 Quickened. and the cooldown is short enough for comfort IMHO. I usually roll dodge once or twice by default anyway when Gothmau comes chargin up on me, and by that time Azandar's taunt is usually up.

i think without any quickened stuff, azanders taunt lasts for 15 sec and has a cooldown of somewhere between 14.8 and 15.2 sec

a couple quickened should put the cooldown under 15 sec for sure (they only use the taunt when enemy not already taunted, so you dont need the cooldown super low on it, just enough so it comes back up just before taunt runs out)

That would be true for when Azandar already has him taunted. But if Gothmau appears just after Azandar recently used his taunt on a different or dead trash enemy, you're stuck waiting out the rest of the cooldown. So you want that cooldown to be as short as possible.

true, but even if its like 13 seconds, it would have to be some really bad timing if the marauder spawns right as hes casting the taunt on something else

usually still able to kite a marauder for 5-10 sec even on a dps with some dodging and whatnot until the companion gets the aggro, as long as the taunt is skill 1 they usually get the aggro pretty quickly

DenverRalphy · November 12

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Isobel drops out of combat with Gothmau constantly and 100% of the time. Just sheaths her sword mid-fight and runs over to me.

i think most of the companions do

azander only seems to work semi consistently because he has a ranged taunt (ranged dps companions still target gothmau fine but anything melee and they act like his out of range or something)

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

azander works better with this because he has a ranged taunt by default that works more reliably than an ice staff taunt

the companion ice staff taunt has always been a bit sketchy if it works or not

they really really need to reduce the cooldown on the undaunted taunt so every companion has the option of a ranged taunt, just increase the synergy cooldown if that really matters

I split Azandar's gear 6 Vigorous / 6 Quickened. and the cooldown is short enough for comfort IMHO. I usually roll dodge once or twice by default anyway when Gothmau comes chargin up on me, and by that time Azandar's taunt is usually up.

i think without any quickened stuff, azanders taunt lasts for 15 sec and has a cooldown of somewhere between 14.8 and 15.2 sec

a couple quickened should put the cooldown under 15 sec for sure (they only use the taunt when enemy not already taunted, so you dont need the cooldown super low on it, just enough so it comes back up just before taunt runs out)

That would be true for when Azandar already has him taunted. But if Gothmau appears just after Azandar recently used his taunt on a different or dead trash enemy, you're stuck waiting out the rest of the cooldown. So you want that cooldown to be as short as possible.

true, but even if its like 13 seconds, it would have to be some really bad timing if the marauder spawns right as hes casting the taunt on something else

usually still able to kite a marauder for 5-10 sec even on a dps with some dodging and whatnot until the companion gets the aggro, as long as the taunt is skill 1 they usually get the aggro pretty quickly

I use Azandar's taunt, and not the undaunted taunt, because the Undaundted taunt cooldown starts at 36 seconds vs Azandar's which starts at 12 seconds. The only difference being that Undaunted has a 28 meter range compared to Azandar's 22 meter range. Well Azandar's does debuff while Undaunted inflicts damage but that's not important as I'm more concerned with the control of combat aspect. And both last for the same amount of time. I have Azandar's taunt down to sub 10s with blue gear, and it works just fine for me against any marauder including Gothmau. I haven't been lucky enough yet to score purple heavy quickened (I refuse to pay what they go for on traders) so it can go lower, but I'm really in no hurry since I really don't feel the pressure.

Necrotech_Master · November 12

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Isobel drops out of combat with Gothmau constantly and 100% of the time. Just sheaths her sword mid-fight and runs over to me.

i think most of the companions do

azander only seems to work semi consistently because he has a ranged taunt (ranged dps companions still target gothmau fine but anything melee and they act like his out of range or something)

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

azander works better with this because he has a ranged taunt by default that works more reliably than an ice staff taunt

the companion ice staff taunt has always been a bit sketchy if it works or not

they really really need to reduce the cooldown on the undaunted taunt so every companion has the option of a ranged taunt, just increase the synergy cooldown if that really matters

I split Azandar's gear 6 Vigorous / 6 Quickened. and the cooldown is short enough for comfort IMHO. I usually roll dodge once or twice by default anyway when Gothmau comes chargin up on me, and by that time Azandar's taunt is usually up.

i think without any quickened stuff, azanders taunt lasts for 15 sec and has a cooldown of somewhere between 14.8 and 15.2 sec

a couple quickened should put the cooldown under 15 sec for sure (they only use the taunt when enemy not already taunted, so you dont need the cooldown super low on it, just enough so it comes back up just before taunt runs out)

That would be true for when Azandar already has him taunted. But if Gothmau appears just after Azandar recently used his taunt on a different or dead trash enemy, you're stuck waiting out the rest of the cooldown. So you want that cooldown to be as short as possible.

true, but even if its like 13 seconds, it would have to be some really bad timing if the marauder spawns right as hes casting the taunt on something else

usually still able to kite a marauder for 5-10 sec even on a dps with some dodging and whatnot until the companion gets the aggro, as long as the taunt is skill 1 they usually get the aggro pretty quickly

I use Azandar's taunt, and not the undaunted taunt, because the Undaundted taunt cooldown starts at 36 seconds vs Azandar's which starts at 12 seconds. The only difference being that Undaunted has a 28 meter range compared to Azandar's 22 meter range. Well Azandar's does debuff while Undaunted inflicts damage but that's not important as I'm more concerned with the control of combat aspect. And both last for the same amount of time. I have Azandar's taunt down to sub 10s with blue gear, and it works just fine for me against any marauder including Gothmau. I haven't been lucky enough yet to score purple heavy quickened (I refuse to pay what they go for on traders) so it can go lower, but I'm really in no hurry since I really don't feel the pressure.

yeah, im not really happy with most of the undaunted companion skills for that reason, the cooldowns are far too long in most instances

the only way to really make use of the undaunted skills is to run telvanni efficiency gear (-50% cooldown on their skills at base)

with that gear + all quickened you can get to like -86% total cooldown reduction, which can be good or bad depending on the skills you slot

allochthons · November 12

I switched my companion tank to Azander from Isobel due to this issue.
I have taunt double-slotted. Provoke as the first skill, the arc class taunt as the 4th, and he has not lost taunt on a marauder since I made this change. if I'm using him outside of the IA, I swap out the 2nd taunt for a heal or something.

But, I only ever go to the end of Arc 2. Dunno if the swarm of enemies in high arcs would make a difference.
(edited for typo)

Orbital78 · November 13

It seems our tank companions are getting Tankxiety as well, using one or two companions that semi-work isn't a good solution. Could we get these fixed in the near future?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Caligamy_ESO · November 13

Just delete Gothmau, his damage and mechanic is dumbly scaled with everything else in there.

No one will complain about it.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · November 13

Hey all, we can confirm this is a bug and we are working on a fix for it. Thank you for reporting it!

Orbital78 · November 13

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Just delete Gothmau, his damage and mechanic is dumbly scaled with everything else in there.

No one will complain about it.

That would probably be the easiest bandage/temp fix. IMO that Marauder needs some rebalancing but if at least companions can help, that will greatly help newer players I am sure. I have Flawless Conqueror and same no death etc with vVH, not the best player but I know how to survive for the most part. I guess new players just have to take the death, which is frustrating if you're going for the daily marauder kill quest. This is on Arc 2, so not like your into the deeper harder parts yet that have scaled up.

Thanks Jessica for confirming it is being worked on.

Gabriel_H · November 13

Orbital78 wrote: »

That would probably be the easiest bandage/temp fix. IMO that Marauder needs some rebalancing but if at least companions can help, that will greatly help newer players I am sure.

I solo'd him once, no companion, no mystery transformation - true story!

i_Elias · November 13

Hello

I also had the same issues with companions tanking bosses/marauders in IA and I have some recordings to share.

Imo the cooldowns of companion's taunt skills are not the issue. The issue is the "size" of the Marauder Gothmau's model. So, for some reason companion with melee taunt will continue casting all his skills and stepping backwards and eventually "reset" the combat by sheathing the weapon. But as soon as you'll "drag" the marauder trough the companion, your companion will actually apply the taunt on Gothmau.

Similar troubles also can happens while fighting Risen Ruins boss.

Gothmau

https://youtu.be/ckCQfKRkG38

https://youtu.be/UshXUOiIchM

https://youtu.be/KqrNmoRTcU0

https://youtu.be/paBaqlRPbMg
https://www.twitch.tv/drewuout/clip/AttractiveDistinctTigerSoonerLater-No2S_PInixrE-mIw

Risen Ruins

https://youtu.be/V4bgR9LHsjM

https://youtu.be/IIST7Zi0PZ0

Companion skillbar:

All purple with vigorous trait

Thank you for reporting the issue. I hope that my info will help too

Necrotech_Master · November 13

Orbital78 wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Just delete Gothmau, his damage and mechanic is dumbly scaled with everything else in there.

No one will complain about it.

That would probably be the easiest bandage/temp fix. IMO that Marauder needs some rebalancing but if at least companions can help, that will greatly help newer players I am sure. I have Flawless Conqueror and same no death etc with vVH, not the best player but I know how to survive for the most part. I guess new players just have to take the death, which is frustrating if you're going for the daily marauder kill quest. This is on Arc 2, so not like your into the deeper harder parts yet that have scaled up.

Thanks Jessica for confirming it is being worked on.

i never really found any of the marauders to be too bad on arc 2, even on my pure dps characters (some like gothmau still need a little bit more kiting than others)

my tank characters i use in the archive can face tank basically any marauder up through about arc 6 or 7 (arc 6 is where i have to start dodging the minotaur marauders heavy, and kiting gothmau a bit on the tank)

out of the marauders, the hardest ones to sit and face tank are probably gothmau followed by the WW one (bittog)

Orbital78 · November 13

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

out of the marauders, the hardest ones to sit and face tank are probably gothmau followed by the WW one (bittog)

Agreed, on some of my characters it is less of an issue to solo them. My Arcanist struggles though, it can blow through the early Arcs the fastest of my characters but struggles with those. My heavy Sorc can solo them the easiest, but I don't want to run IA only on a heavy sorc. Seems a little easier on Necro too.

Necrotech_Master · November 13

Orbital78 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

out of the marauders, the hardest ones to sit and face tank are probably gothmau followed by the WW one (bittog)

Agreed, on some of my characters it is less of an issue to solo them. My Arcanist struggles though, it can blow through the early Arcs the fastest of my characters but struggles with those. My heavy Sorc can solo them the easiest, but I don't want to run IA only on a heavy sorc. Seems a little easier on Necro too.

something that helps my arc when running is if i dont have a tank with me, i usually use sanctum of the abyssal sea ultimate as an "oh ***, help me stay alive" tool, especially since you get so much other dmg from verses and visions, its easier to just save the ult (especially if you got any early adaptive conquerers on a dps toon, you get more dmg by not using your ult anyway)

for at least the arc 2 and 3 marauders that can help me survive long enough to potentially either kill it, or give enough time for the companion/player tank im running with get aggro

Caligamy_ESO · November 13

Orbital78 wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Just delete Gothmau, his damage and mechanic is dumbly scaled with everything else in there.

No one will complain about it.

That would probably be the easiest bandage/temp fix. IMO that Marauder needs some rebalancing but if at least companions can help, that will greatly help newer players I am sure. I have Flawless Conqueror and same no death etc with vVH, not the best player but I know how to survive for the most part. I guess new players just have to take the death, which is frustrating if you're going for the daily marauder kill quest. This is on Arc 2, so not like your into the deeper harder parts yet that have scaled up.

Thanks Jessica for confirming it is being worked on.

Oh I kill him all the time, and know all about the *nearly* invisible swords he just kinda casually throws 2 of at your face without any sort of visual indicator while he's charging you, and all the bleed with his attacks.. BUT compared to literally every other mob in there he feels like an Arc 5 or 6 at Arc 2 only without the high health.

His scaling is all kinds of wrong..

Also I have noticed the fabled since the last update can cast Meteor within Arc 1 which I don't really think I saw before..?
I say this as someone who has every trophy and achievement in there, every set item, and well on the way to a million fortunes.

Sarannah · November 13

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Just delete Gothmau, his damage and mechanic is dumbly scaled with everything else in there.

No one will complain about it.

Actually, my guess for Gothmau being overtuned is to prevent players from cheesing to the higher arcs. Gothmau either assures you should be able to take that arc's difficulty, or lose a thread.

So I'm thinking Gothmau is actually a clever mechanic and safeguard created by ZOS.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey all, we can confirm this is a bug and we are working on a fix for it. Thank you for reporting it!

Thank you for acknowledging this bug, hopefully it will be fixed soon!

Necrotech_Master · November 13

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Just delete Gothmau, his damage and mechanic is dumbly scaled with everything else in there.

No one will complain about it.

That would probably be the easiest bandage/temp fix. IMO that Marauder needs some rebalancing but if at least companions can help, that will greatly help newer players I am sure. I have Flawless Conqueror and same no death etc with vVH, not the best player but I know how to survive for the most part. I guess new players just have to take the death, which is frustrating if you're going for the daily marauder kill quest. This is on Arc 2, so not like your into the deeper harder parts yet that have scaled up.

Thanks Jessica for confirming it is being worked on.

Oh I kill him all the time, and know all about the *nearly* invisible swords he just kinda casually throws 2 of at your face without any sort of visual indicator while he's charging you, and all the bleed with his attacks.. BUT compared to literally every other mob in there he feels like an Arc 5 or 6 at Arc 2 only without the high health.

His scaling is all kinds of wrong..

Also I have noticed the fabled since the last update can cast Meteor within Arc 1 which I don't really think I saw before..?
I say this as someone who has every trophy and achievement in there, every set item, and well on the way to a million fortunes.

mystics, brewmasters, storm callers, and lightbringers were new fabled that were added in U43

mystics - can drop a meteor if you dont kill them fast (meteor itself if not killed explodes after about 10 seconds, basically a 1 shot)
brewmasters - throw shrinky potions at you, can heal, and can make a dome that gives enemies high dmg reduction
storm callers - similar to the fireball ones except lightning (can place lightning aoe, and can channel lightning strikes)
lightbringers - can create light pools on enemies (which makes enemies in them invulnerable), can also cast sunburst, creates a light pool on death (be careful in melee)

Caligamy_ESO · November 13

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Just delete Gothmau, his damage and mechanic is dumbly scaled with everything else in there.

No one will complain about it.

That would probably be the easiest bandage/temp fix. IMO that Marauder needs some rebalancing but if at least companions can help, that will greatly help newer players I am sure. I have Flawless Conqueror and same no death etc with vVH, not the best player but I know how to survive for the most part. I guess new players just have to take the death, which is frustrating if you're going for the daily marauder kill quest. This is on Arc 2, so not like your into the deeper harder parts yet that have scaled up.

Thanks Jessica for confirming it is being worked on.

Oh I kill him all the time, and know all about the *nearly* invisible swords he just kinda casually throws 2 of at your face without any sort of visual indicator while he's charging you, and all the bleed with his attacks.. BUT compared to literally every other mob in there he feels like an Arc 5 or 6 at Arc 2 only without the high health.

His scaling is all kinds of wrong..

Also I have noticed the fabled since the last update can cast Meteor within Arc 1 which I don't really think I saw before..?
I say this as someone who has every trophy and achievement in there, every set item, and well on the way to a million fortunes.

mystics, brewmasters, storm callers, and lightbringers were new fabled that were added in U43
mystics - can drop a meteor if you dont kill them fast (meteor itself if not killed explodes after about 10 seconds, basically a 1 shot)

brewmasters - throw shrinky potions at you, can heal, and can make a dome that gives enemies high dmg reduction

storm callers - similar to the fireball ones except lightning (can place lightning aoe, and can channel lightning strikes)

lightbringers - can create light pools on enemies (which makes enemies in them invulnerable), can also cast sunburst, creates a light pool on death (be careful in melee)

Mmhmm.. but in Arc 1?

Necrotech_Master · November 13

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Just delete Gothmau, his damage and mechanic is dumbly scaled with everything else in there.

No one will complain about it.

That would probably be the easiest bandage/temp fix. IMO that Marauder needs some rebalancing but if at least companions can help, that will greatly help newer players I am sure. I have Flawless Conqueror and same no death etc with vVH, not the best player but I know how to survive for the most part. I guess new players just have to take the death, which is frustrating if you're going for the daily marauder kill quest. This is on Arc 2, so not like your into the deeper harder parts yet that have scaled up.

Thanks Jessica for confirming it is being worked on.

Oh I kill him all the time, and know all about the *nearly* invisible swords he just kinda casually throws 2 of at your face without any sort of visual indicator while he's charging you, and all the bleed with his attacks.. BUT compared to literally every other mob in there he feels like an Arc 5 or 6 at Arc 2 only without the high health.

His scaling is all kinds of wrong..

Also I have noticed the fabled since the last update can cast Meteor within Arc 1 which I don't really think I saw before..?
I say this as someone who has every trophy and achievement in there, every set item, and well on the way to a million fortunes.

mystics, brewmasters, storm callers, and lightbringers were new fabled that were added in U43
mystics - can drop a meteor if you dont kill them fast (meteor itself if not killed explodes after about 10 seconds, basically a 1 shot)

brewmasters - throw shrinky potions at you, can heal, and can make a dome that gives enemies high dmg reduction

storm callers - similar to the fireball ones except lightning (can place lightning aoe, and can channel lightning strikes)

lightbringers - can create light pools on enemies (which makes enemies in them invulnerable), can also cast sunburst, creates a light pool on death (be careful in melee)

Mmhmm.. but in Arc 1?

fabled start appearing in arc 1 in cycle 3 and 4, they dont change their mannerisms per arc

if you cant kill the mystic fast enough just kill the meteor as it has far less health than most other things

usually i try to burst down the mystics if they appear, i usually dont even see meteors from them until like past arc 6 when they start getting enough health its hard to kill them quickly unless you have the right verses/visions

spartaxoxo · November 13

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Thank you for letting us know y'all are working on this bug. Just to let you know, this but is not limited to Gothmau. I don't know all of the bosses that it doesn't work on but I know there are other world bosses that their taunt doesn't work. The Nightmare Den comes to mind.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · November 13

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Thank you for letting us know y'all are working on this bug. Just to let you know, this but is not limited to Gothmau. I don't know all of the bosses that it doesn't work on but I know there are other world bosses that their taunt doesn't work. The Nightmare Den comes to mind.

Thanks @spartaxoxo! The fix the team is working on should address cases of this happening with other bosses as well.

Aashiana · November 13

I've also had a bug when getting defeated by a marauder that my character cannot revive even if they have lives left - they're just suspended and cant' do anything other than log out and back in again, and start over

BuffNukem · November 14

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey all, we can confirm this is a bug and we are working on a fix for it. Thank you for reporting it!

I appreciate you taking the time to provide acknowledgement of a reported bug and providing an update on a fix. Thank you!

Why is it such a frustratingly difficult endeavor to get to this point. I literally posted about this exact bug within the first two days of the U43 PTS (July 9, 2024) in the PTS Forum Thread titled "PTS Update 43 - Feedback Thread for Infinite Archive Updates."

If ZoS isn't even willing to read the first page of the thread they specifically created to collect bug reports on IA, ensuring they would have 4-5 weeks of budgeted dev time to make fixes to the main content focus of their patch, then I don't have a clue how to provide effective feedback in the future. It just seems so sporadic in getting significant issues that are reported on these forums ever seen by someone within ZoS, let alone acknowledged.

Again, thanks for acknowledging receipt of the reported bug now. I just wish this was more of the rule than the exception.