ArchMikem wrote: »

Most of those aggressors ultimate goal is attention, they thrive off reaction. Publicly naming them is only giving them what they want.

Public naming will get eyes on it, and action can be taken. Reports have done squat so far. Playing is a privilege not a right.

baguette_poolish wrote: »

Naming and shaming exclusively on PVP matters concerning harassment? I feel like so much of this game be policed by its own player base. EP zone chat goes through it everyday on Grayhost NA PC, and I understand maybe tickets piled up for the support team and this is would be a way we can root out bad actors in this game that are only here to cause others Aggravation.

So you're fine with someone who has an agenda against you slandering your player name in the forums, stating that you are doing something 'bad' that you never actually did?


Interesting.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

I don't think we should start naming players on the forums, but there's definitely a moderation problem when it comes to PvP zone chat. Disruptive narcissists who make zone chat unusable for hours on end do get mass reported over and over, but apparently nothing is ever done unless they say one of the Bad Words. This indeed did happen too, a notable toxic zerglord ruined zone chats for years and then the thing that finally gets him is a Bad Word in his group chat.

And unfortunately, he has multiple accounts across all three factions.

(Yeah, some people are well known, and easily identified, lol)

baguette_poolish wrote: »

Naming and shaming exclusively on PVP matters concerning harassment? I feel like so much of this game be policed by its own player base. EP zone chat goes through it everyday on Grayhost NA PC, and I understand maybe tickets piled up for the support team and this is would be a way we can root out bad actors in this game that are only here to cause others Aggravation.

Highly doubt Zos becomes lenient on the Naming and Shaming policy since the first victims would be the Devs.

The whole point of 'no naming and shaming' on the public forum, not just for PvP but anything related to in-game stuff (like say someone is accusing someone else of botting, or using a cheat engine, or gold selling) is to prevent innocent people from being targeted by people who dislike/hate/have an agenda against them.

Let's say I see someone advertising an item in Zone for like 50x it's normal price. I see someone else not familiar with pricing seem interested and I say "hey you don't wanna do that, that item never sells for that much, save your gold you'll find it a lot cheaper somewhere else".

Let's say the person trying to scam uninformed players gets really mad at me and doctors up some screenshots or something that paints me as the bad guy. Then they post those screenshots here to the forum and suddenly a bunch of people are calling me a jerk even though I hadn't done anything wrong and was actually helping someone.

If people were allowed to slander whoever they wanted publicly, it would just lead to witch hunts and a lot of headache for people who are just playing the game, minding their own business, or trying to help out fellow players. And it would be especially bad for PvP, where toxic players would try to get people mad at others over every conceivable thing.

Arunei wrote: »

The whole point of 'no naming and shaming' on the public forum, not just for PvP but anything related to in-game stuff (like say someone is accusing someone else of botting, or using a cheat engine, or gold selling) is to prevent innocent people from being targeted by people who dislike/hate/have an agenda against them.

Let's say I see someone advertising an item in Zone for like 50x it's normal price. I see someone else not familiar with pricing seem interested and I say "hey you don't wanna do that, that item never sells for that much, save your gold you'll find it a lot cheaper somewhere else".

Let's say the person trying to scam uninformed players gets really mad at me and doctors up some screenshots or something that paints me as the bad guy. Then they post those screenshots here to the forum and suddenly a bunch of people are calling me a jerk even though I hadn't done anything wrong and was actually helping someone.

If people were allowed to slander whoever they wanted publicly, it would just lead to witch hunts and a lot of headache for people who are just playing the game, minding their own business, or trying to help out fellow players. And it would be especially bad for PvP, where toxic players would try to get people mad at others over every conceivable thing.

This is exactly it.

I play a couple of other games that are not MMOs (still online games) and they have what they call salt blogs associated with them. Not run by the developers/admins of the games, but by players.

There have been many times when someone has disliked someone else and said something about them on the blogs, then when others have gone to check, it turns out to be nothing at all. Things like, they will take the worst possible interpretation of what that person said, or they will take an action that is perfectly harmless and okay and blow it up, because they dislike it and so on.

The problem is that not everyone actually goes to check to see what that person has done. There are people who will just see something about 'X is a Scammer/cheater/whatever' and run with it, and that is the reputation that gets spread.

It would be even worse if it were allowed on the actual game forums, because that would be seen by a larger portion of the player base than a random salt blog somewhere. It would also potentially give credance to the words, because you would have poeple going 'well, they (the developers) wouldn't allow it to be said on public forums if it weren't true!'