Nightblade, drinking tea, watching everyone else get the knife

DrSlaughtr · September 23

You thought it was gonna just be NBs!

Pyrebrand, a set that requires a lot of effort to get, gutted.

Azure, a set that is the only defense against tank groups and ball groups, gutted.

Templars getting taunts on gap closers without getting any of the longstanding weaknesses that have needed to be addressed for a long time.

All of these situations, including cloak, are drastic overreaches by the decision makers, based solely on the squeaky wheels getting the grease. Your ball group died before their 3 hour tower session was up? Complain. Your rock hopper 1vX tank got caught by a NB? Complain. Templar jabs too strong? Complain. DKs doing too much damage with a set that absolutely should be OP given the effort it takes to farm? Complain.

Every bad decision that has been made specifically to affect PVP has been born out of a small portion of the base having the biggest megaphones and demanding their playstyle receive preferential treatment. You make a post on the forum and get enough generic support, that eventually finds its way into the PTS. The problem is you are giving power to a small segment of players. It would be like the government forging public policy based on a social media poll.

bladenick · September 23

Melee NB dead, stem ranger ganker will be only dps NB once PTS online

Twohothardware · September 23

The ESO devs eliminate the desire to put any effort into farming new sets with their overhanded nerfs.

MincMincMinc · September 23

Just play acuity warden, everything else is pointless. You are a tank healer and dmg all in one. PvP is a meme right now.

Vaqual · September 23

I think we need more threads about this, it usually helps to repeat the same talking points in 4-6 different places.

DrSlaughtr · September 24

Vaqual wrote: »

I think we need more threads about this, it usually helps to repeat the same talking points in 4-6 different places.

5 people make the same post on different boards. An wild echo chamber appears. 10 pages on each one with the same 20 people arguing. Oh, this must be a hot topic! Let's send it up the food chain for consideration!

At a certain point you have to not listen to players because their perception is limited to their own experience, and the moment they start complaining about other classes or aspects of the game they don't understand, it becomes bad feedback. I'm not an expert on PVP DK so I don't make posts complaining about them or go on DK posts and make wild accusations every time I get leaped to death.

Pelanora · September 24

Nah there's a thousand threads about sorc pets and we still got 'em. Stupid ugly flappy things.

gamergirldk · September 24

You thought it was gonna just be NBs!

Wow, Nighblade have been the dev's pvp darling forever and eveyone know this. You finally getting the " I can run in endless cloak tihi " nerfed.And now u look down on all other nerfs with joy and happiness

Pyrobran need a nerf, Sorc shield got is heal nerfed also good, Azura needed a slight adjustment [snip]
Tarnished is the set that need more adjustments imo

[edited for baiting]

birdik · September 24

A lot effort? Few runs in EA..

TDVM · September 24

Is NB taking away invisibility? no? just making the gameplay a little harder? that's the way it should be, NB is one of the popular classes because it's easy to get out of combat for it, now it's going to take a little more effort. The rework of this skill is correct and the class needed it for a long time

P.S the author of the post did not mention that necro still needs to be finalized and that he is still weaker than plar.

TDVM · September 24

Vaqual wrote: »

I think we need more threads about this, it usually helps to repeat the same talking points in 4-6 different places.

And how many people write posts about necro, and all that necro has gotten and a fraction of what necro should get, and that is questionable. I think you should get used to the fact that NB will no longer be an easy class and will require the ability to use invisibility properly.

Tommy_The_Gun · September 24

gamergirldk wrote: »

Wow, Nighblade have been the dev's pvp darling forever and eveyone know this.

If something is "dev's pvp darling forever" then, without a doubt it would be Ball Groups.

Think when exactly, people started to complain about NB. Pretty much the moment we got Tarnished meta. So was NB a problem, or is it a Set ? I think it is the latter. Cloak was never an issue and it operated the way it did for more than 10 years. So what changed all of the sudden so they are converting into a toggle ? Actually... nothing has changed. The more I think about this, the more it makes sense that cloak is just a scape-goat & it is a distraction, so we would talk about NB, instead about the real issue - Ball Groups.

Do you realize that for over 10 years, for as long as the game exists, Ball Group play-style had not received a single nerf ? Zero. Nada. Nothing. Not even a tiny one. For over those 10 years, ball groups have received indirect or even direct buffs. This is a broken "god-mode" play-style that will turn even a bunch of noobs into an immortal flame ball of doom & they will be able to take down easily even players that are much more experienced than them. Other play-styles got gutted multiple times & even more, while Ball-Groups got only buffs.

And of course, I know what people are going to say. That Ball Groups simply were adjusting & adapting. I am sorry, but this is just flat out wrong. I clearly remember when Weapon Ultimate were introduced to the game & how it worked out for Ball Groups.

But, when for example Plaguebreak was introduced, It actually worked amazingly well pretty much only vs Ball Groups & not vs solo players & "armies' (zergs). It was literally nerfed in a hot fix like 5 days later. Same thing happens now with Azureblight.

I also partially agree with OP. The irony is (and most people don't realize this) that in an even of some kind Cyro apocalypse where pretty much only Ball Groups will be left, with no zergs or small scale (and it is kinda already happening), NB will be actually the only class that will "drinking tea, watching everyone else get the knife", waiting within the AP tick range, in stealth not bothering to do anything, other than staying & watching.

Vaqual · September 24

TDVM wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

I think we need more threads about this, it usually helps to repeat the same talking points in 4-6 different places.

Vaqual wrote: »

I think we need more threads about this, it usually helps to repeat the same talking points in 4-6 different places.

And how many people write posts about necro, and all that necro has gotten and a fraction of what necro should get, and that is questionable. I think you should get used to the fact that NB will no longer be an easy class and will require the ability to use invisibility properly.

Nuance, man.

DrSlaughtr · September 24

gamergirldk wrote: »

You thought it was gonna just be NBs!

Wow, Nighblade have been the dev's pvp darling forever and eveyone know this. You finally getting the " I can run in endless cloak tihi " nerfed.And now u look down on all other nerfs with joy and happiness

Pyrobran need a nerf, Sorc shield got is heal nerfed also good, Azura needed a slight adjustment [snip]
Tarnished is the set that need more adjustments imo

[edited for baiting]

Everyone thinks every other class or playstyle is the darling of the devs. NBs had the worst sustain for years and only recently received help from that. Your only reason for thinking this is because they have strong damage output and you die to them.

No other class has so many class-specific counters. I have no potion to disable a DK's coagulated. I have no set that prevents a sorc from streaking away. I have nothing that stops a templar from blasting Rite of Passage every 30 seconds. I could go on. You have a 48 meter potion, multiple skills that have their own additional benefits to run, sets and champion points that you could use to defeat me easily. You either choose not to use these various avenues, or you have not worked on getting better at them.

The amount of work I have to go through to kill someone 5 times over because they get easily accessible, spammable shields is much more of an issue than you getting pew-pew'd or slice-sliced.

I am 100% pro lowering survivability AND damage output in Battle Spirit. That is what is needed in Cyrodiil. I honestly cannot wait for players to continue to get ganked and bombed by Nightblades so you realize that you have no idea exactly how the class works or cloak works. All this does is force NBs to fight at range, with higher survivability. Good luck with that.

endorphinsplox · September 25

Anyone who struggles to counter gankers, just slot Zoal and the Slippery CP passive. Throw a Meteor at them for good measure. You might not kill the most slippery of NBs but they sure as hell will struggle to kill you.

StaticWave · September 25

Peak NB gameplay:

https://youtu.be/NO-sm3tK1Xk?si=7gCUjlQ_q4iXkLZ5

MashmalloMan · September 25

StaticWave wrote: »

Peak NB gameplay:

https://youtu.be/NO-sm3tK1Xk?si=7gCUjlQ_q4iXkLZ5

Damn dude, your skill bar layout hurts my brain

DrSlaughtr · September 25

StaticWave wrote: »

Peak NB gameplay:

https://youtu.be/NO-sm3tK1Xk?si=7gCUjlQ_q4iXkLZ5

Lol those guys deserved to get wiped. Terrible tactics. Poorly optimized damage output. No patience.

SkaraMinoc · September 25

Side observation- You have uncanny uptime on Major Vitality from Daedric Trickery in that clip.

StarOfElyon · September 25

DrSlaughtr wrote: »

You thought it was gonna just be NBs!

Pyrebrand, a set that requires a lot of effort to get, gutted.

Azure, a set that is the only defense against tank groups and ball groups, gutted.

Templars getting taunts on gap closers without getting any of the longstanding weaknesses that have needed to be addressed for a long time.

All of these situations, including cloak, are drastic overreaches by the decision makers, based solely on the squeaky wheels getting the grease. Your ball group died before their 3 hour tower session was up? Complain. Your rock hopper 1vX tank got caught by a NB? Complain. Templar jabs too strong? Complain. DKs doing too much damage with a set that absolutely should be OP given the effort it takes to farm? Complain.

Every bad decision that has been made specifically to affect PVP has been born out of a small portion of the base having the biggest megaphones and demanding their playstyle receive preferential treatment. You make a post on the forum and get enough generic support, that eventually finds its way into the PTS. The problem is you are giving power to a small segment of players. It would be like the government forging public policy based on a social media poll.

Nightblades finally get a nerf and then act like they been through something. Try playing any other class.

DrSlaughtr · September 26

StarOfElyon wrote: »

DrSlaughtr wrote: »

You thought it was gonna just be NBs!

Pyrebrand, a set that requires a lot of effort to get, gutted.

Azure, a set that is the only defense against tank groups and ball groups, gutted.

Templars getting taunts on gap closers without getting any of the longstanding weaknesses that have needed to be addressed for a long time.

All of these situations, including cloak, are drastic overreaches by the decision makers, based solely on the squeaky wheels getting the grease. Your ball group died before their 3 hour tower session was up? Complain. Your rock hopper 1vX tank got caught by a NB? Complain. Templar jabs too strong? Complain. DKs doing too much damage with a set that absolutely should be OP given the effort it takes to farm? Complain.

Every bad decision that has been made specifically to affect PVP has been born out of a small portion of the base having the biggest megaphones and demanding their playstyle receive preferential treatment. You make a post on the forum and get enough generic support, that eventually finds its way into the PTS. The problem is you are giving power to a small segment of players. It would be like the government forging public policy based on a social media poll.

Nightblades finally get a nerf and then act like they been through something. Try playing any other class.

They have been nerfed plenty of times. If you include direct nerfs and indirect nerfs (set changes, potion changes, cp changes that all counter nightblades) they are the most hammered class. Other than a few quality of life additions recently, they have routinely been "adjusted" to make others happy.

The only class that comes close to being beaten down is necro.

The other classes have received inconvenient changes to skills but you can still do all the normal stuff you could always do on them. And there are not a dozen gifted counters handed to players on silver platters to make Wardens or Templars useless with little effort.

Little effort is all it takes to kill a nightblade but I guess that's just a little too much.

NyassaV · September 26

TDVM wrote: »

Is NB taking away invisibility? no? just making the gameplay a little harder? that's the way it should be, NB is one of the popular classes because it's easy to get out of combat for it, now it's going to take a little more effort. The rework of this skill is correct and the class needed it for a long time

P.S the author of the post did not mention that necro still needs to be finalized and that he is still weaker than plar.

Just make it disable magic regen. No need to change the entire mechanic of the skill. Such a silly change.

DrSlaughtr · September 26

NyassaV wrote: »

TDVM wrote: »

Is NB taking away invisibility? no? just making the gameplay a little harder? that's the way it should be, NB is one of the popular classes because it's easy to get out of combat for it, now it's going to take a little more effort. The rework of this skill is correct and the class needed it for a long time

P.S the author of the post did not mention that necro still needs to be finalized and that he is still weaker than plar.

Just make it disable magic regen. No need to change the entire mechanic of the skill. Such a silly change.

This. Simply disabling recovery in current cloak would have been punishing enough. People forget how expensive it is. Without it being offset at all with recovery will make it a lot tougher to manage.