It really makes no sense that reconstructed mythics can not be made to return the transmute crystals used to make them.

I think if they can figure out a way to flag reconstructed mythics as different items then they would allow deconstruction. Right now, you can't decon mythics at all, and I think they didn't account for the fact that remaking them would create problems.

My guess is that the there is a "no decon" rule applied to all mythics by default and they can't really figure out a way to bypass that rule for reconstructed mythics and not also have it apply to regular mythics.

In short, it's a coding issue.

Agreed.

They know the difference between the Mythics that have been obtained from an Antiquity and the ones that have been Reconstructed. So they should let us deconstruct the Reconstructed Mythics and give us back our Transmute Crystals but no other materials.

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I think if they can figure out a way to flag reconstructed mythics as different items then they would allow deconstruction. Right now, you can't decon mythics at all, and I think they didn't account for the fact that remaking them would create problems.

My guess is that the there is a "no decon" rule applied to all mythics by default and they can't really figure out a way to bypass that rule for reconstructed mythics and not also have it apply to regular mythics.

In short, it's a coding issue.

They already know everything about all items in the game including if it's Reconstructed and if it's a Mythic. It's even right there in the addon API: "IsItemReconstructed(bagId, slotIndex)", "GetItemDisplayQuality(bagId, slotIndex)", etc.

So there's nothing stopping them from allowing us to deconstruct the Reconstructed Mythics and get back our Transmute Crystals other than they just don't want to do it...

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Agreed.

They know the difference between the Mythics that have been obtained from an Antiquity and the ones that have been Reconstructed. So they should let us deconstruct the Reconstructed Mythics and give us back our Transmute Crystals but no other materials.

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I think if they can figure out a way to flag reconstructed mythics as different items then they would allow deconstruction. Right now, you can't decon mythics at all, and I think they didn't account for the fact that remaking them would create problems.

My guess is that the there is a "no decon" rule applied to all mythics by default and they can't really figure out a way to bypass that rule for reconstructed mythics and not also have it apply to regular mythics.

In short, it's a coding issue.

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So there's nothing stopping them from allowing us to deconstruct the Reconstructed Mythics and get back our Transmute Crystals other than they just don't want to do it...

I get that it's frustrating that ZoS hasn't outwardly stated why they won't allow players to deconstruct Mythics. But I seriously doubt that it's because they just don't want to.

If I had to venture a guess, it's probably because unlike all the other set items that can be reconstruted (with a few exceptions), there's no Transmute Crystal Sink Mechanic with Mythics. All other items that can be reconstructed are available at a higher crystal cost until you fill in more of the stickerbook. As a result, a lot of crystals go >poof< due to the inherent sink mechanic. Mythics don't have that. They're dirt cheap to reconstruct right off the bat, they're extremely more sought after, and yet there's no sink mechanic.

And with players constantly clamoring for an increase to theTransmute Crystal maximum limit, there's obviously no shortage of crystals. No reason you can't just destroy the item. If you ever need it again, what's 25 crystals? 30 minutes of random dailies?

Aurielle wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Agreed.

They know the difference between the Mythics that have been obtained from an Antiquity and the ones that have been Reconstructed. So they should let us deconstruct the Reconstructed Mythics and give us back our Transmute Crystals but no other materials.

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I think if they can figure out a way to flag reconstructed mythics as different items then they would allow deconstruction. Right now, you can't decon mythics at all, and I think they didn't account for the fact that remaking them would create problems.

My guess is that the there is a "no decon" rule applied to all mythics by default and they can't really figure out a way to bypass that rule for reconstructed mythics and not also have it apply to regular mythics.

In short, it's a coding issue.

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So there's nothing stopping them from allowing us to deconstruct the Reconstructed Mythics and get back our Transmute Crystals other than they just don't want to do it...

If I had to venture a guess, it's probably because unlike all the other set items that can be reconstruted (with a few exceptions), there's no Transmute Crystal Sink Mechanic with Mythics. All other items that can be reconstructed are available at a higher crystal cost until you fill in more of the stickerbook. As a result, a lot of crystals go >poof< due to the inherent sink mechanic. Mythics don't have that. They're dirt cheap to reconstruct right off the bat, they're extremely more sought after, and yet there's no sink mechanic.

A large number of arena weapons are like that… when I need to store transmutes, I reconstruct nirnhoned Maelstrom bows, which cost 25 transmutes right off the bat as soon as you collect the bow.

Yeah, that's why I stipulated "with a few exceptions". Resto Staff and Bow arena weapons are 1 slot stickerbook entries. I didn't name them specifically because I was in no mood to debate whether they're as valuable or sought after as mythic items that everybody wants.

joergino wrote: »

I remember faintly this coming up when reconstructing and deconstructing for transmute crystals were introduced and one of the logical problems being the quality of mystic items. All other items fit in with the normal parameters of "quality x deconstructs into a tiny chance of getting some upgrade material y", but there being no mystic upgrade material.

I wouldn't mind at all if mystic items could be deconstructed into just the 25 transmutes that went into their reconstruction and thus I wouldn't mind there not being any materials at all. After all, absolutely no materials were used in the reconstruction process.

That was never a logical problem here, though.

The rule is not “you have a chance to get back an upgrade mat” on deconning reconstructed pieces. It’s “you have a chance to get back one unit of the highest upgrade mat you put in.”

If I reconstruct a piece of perfected gold jewelry from a trial where gold is the minimum quality level for that item to drop, I will have no chance of getting a chromium piece back on decon. That’s working as intended.

As you said, mythics do not get any upgrade mats put in, so they can give none back. That’s not a problem. That’s exactly how it works for the example above. And in the case of mythics, no one would be able to use any such upgrade mat anyhow.

Edited to clarify “one unit.” Also, to clarify: every piece works this way. It’s not just gold jewelry. If you reconstruct an item at its base level and never upgrade it, you never get an upgrade mat back on decon.

TybaltKaine wrote: »

I think if they can figure out a way to flag reconstructed mythics as different items then they would allow deconstruction. Right now, you can't decon mythics at all, and I think they didn't account for the fact that remaking them would create problems.

My guess is that the there is a "no decon" rule applied to all mythics by default and they can't really figure out a way to bypass that rule for reconstructed mythics and not also have it apply to regular mythics.

In short, it's a coding issue.

You may be right but it should be that we are allowed to decon mythics whether they’re reconstructed or not.

LaintalAy wrote: »

So, what you're suggesting here is that ZOS didn't think too hard about this when they first created the 'Mythic' line of gear?
I don't agree with that. The current limitation is there for a reason, unfathomable as it may be.

Yes, that's precisely what I'm suggesting. I've got no reason to believe that they considered the future when designing this system considering the constant yo-yo changes that take place within this game due to lack of foresight when designing other systems, sets and mechanics.

And to go a step further, I'd almost guarantee that there isn't a dev bible anywhere on hand to showcase exactly what is being made, why and how it should interact with pre-existing items within the game.

Not a solution to the problem stated here, but I wanted to mention that the original mythics you dig up with antiquities can be used for research. Since most of them come with a trait you probably don't want, and retraiting for 50 transmutes doesn't make sense if you can make a new one for 25, that's one way to get rid of the originals.

Agree on the deconstructing though, inconsistencies like this in a game's logic are ok if there's some sort of rationale to be found, but in this case I don't see it.