Now that columbine prices have fallen there really isn't a need for this anymore.

FoJul wrote: »

It will also bring people in PvP. A dying game mode.

I am not arguing against the request, as we all want stuff to be easy to obtain. However, this would do nothing notable to attract players to PvP because it is not the reason many avoid it, and those who used to play left.

Amottica wrote: »

FoJul wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Now that columbine prices have fallen there really isn't a need for this anymore.

yes there is, so I can just go to a keep a refill my tri pots with AP.

Close to an infinite supply without having to leave pvp and buy columbine and make 3 stacks for X amount of gold, that I usually dont have, because I'm in cyrodil and not in IA farming gold.

Edit: also columbine gonna go back up, the reason it's so cheap was because everyone farming telvar and selling on Traders. In a few weeks its gonna be right back up, because no one wants to spend 6 hours farming alchemy nodes.

Or you could craft a ton before going into the activity of choice as many players do.

It is a good guess that Columbine will go back up, but we do not know for sure or by how much.

I am just noting they @wolfie1.0. has a good point.

the issue with crafting a ton before going in is that you either:
1. spend every other play session harvesting nodes instead of doing PvP to make enough pots to last, or
2. you spend 3-4 sessions worth of playtime doing so (so basically an entire week) harvesting nodes and not participating in your preferred part of the game, just to have more than 1 session of PvP without having to leave to go make more pots.

To put it another way, (something that I am still yet to see a good answer to) maybe ZOS should force all traders to go do a solid hour of cyrodiil PvP getting a certain number of player kills (say 50 kills and that's killing blows, not just tagging and hoping others get the kills for them), or win 5 BGs in a row before they are allowed to open their mail, interact in anyway with guild stores or harvest resource nodes.

Fair's fair, PvP is just as much a part of ESO as trading and harvesting are, so why are players forced to do the latter 2, to participate in the first, but others aren't forced to participate in the first before getting to do the later 2?

There's also the other forgotten players in this debate, end-game PvE support players (tanks/healers) that use tri-pots as their basic potion instead of single resource or power potions. Players being able to buy tri-stat potions for AP will mean more are listed on guild traders for a cheaper price, allowing a cheaper entry level for players who want to play these vanishing support roles, while the ingredients like columbine will still remain relatively expensive due to being required for many other important things such as:
- heroism potions
- poisons
- immovability/detection potions
- food
- housing items
etc, etc.

Wolfie doesn't have a good point, because until this is added to the game or the prices of all ingredients crash to like 5 gold per, or things on guild stores can also be bought for AP, there will always be a need for this due to how incredibly one sided it is in this game in how to obtain the basic consumables (or the basic currency to buy them) that are required across all other parts of this game.

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

FoJul wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Now that columbine prices have fallen there really isn't a need for this anymore.

yes there is, so I can just go to a keep a refill my tri pots with AP.

Close to an infinite supply without having to leave pvp and buy columbine and make 3 stacks for X amount of gold, that I usually dont have, because I'm in cyrodil and not in IA farming gold.

Edit: also columbine gonna go back up, the reason it's so cheap was because everyone farming telvar and selling on Traders. In a few weeks its gonna be right back up, because no one wants to spend 6 hours farming alchemy nodes.

Or you could craft a ton before going into the activity of choice as many players do.

It is a good guess that Columbine will go back up, but we do not know for sure or by how much.

I am just noting they @wolfie1.0. has a good point.

the issue with crafting a ton before going in is that you either:
1. spend every other play session harvesting nodes instead of doing PvP to make enough pots to last, or
2. you spend 3-4 sessions worth of playtime doing so (so basically an entire week) harvesting nodes and not participating in your preferred part of the game, just to have more than 1 session of PvP without having to leave to go make more pots.

To put it another way, (something that I am still yet to see a good answer to) maybe ZOS should force all traders to go do a solid hour of cyrodiil PvP getting a certain number of player kills (say 50 kills and that's killing blows, not just tagging and hoping others get the kills for them), or win 5 BGs in a row before they are allowed to open their mail, interact in anyway with guild stores or harvest resource nodes.

Fair's fair, PvP is just as much a part of ESO as trading and harvesting are, so why are players forced to do the latter 2, to participate in the first, but others aren't forced to participate in the first before getting to do the later 2?

There's also the other forgotten players in this debate, end-game PvE support players (tanks/healers) that use tri-pots as their basic potion instead of single resource or power potions. Players being able to buy tri-stat potions for AP will mean more are listed on guild traders for a cheaper price, allowing a cheaper entry level for players who want to play these vanishing support roles, while the ingredients like columbine will still remain relatively expensive due to being required for many other important things such as:
- heroism potions
- poisons
- immovability/detection potions
- food
- housing items
etc, etc.

Wolfie doesn't have a good point, because until this is added to the game or the prices of all ingredients crash to like 5 gold per, or things on guild stores can also be bought for AP, there will always be a need for this due to how incredibly one sided it is in this game in how to obtain the basic consumables (or the basic currency to buy them) that are required across all other parts of this game.

I have been starting my pvp grind. Been at it since before whitestrakes.

My notes so far:

For the most part pvp is relatively quiet on weekdays, unless a guild or two does a group raid for a bit. Otherwise it's relatively quiet.

I honestly havnt used many tripots. When I do use them they only sometimes help the rest of the time I'm dead anyways.

I just don't really see the benefits of spending that kinda gold on pvp.

Columbine dropped suddenly, the last time it was at current prices by my estimate it took over a year to increase to.

There is no indication that prices or sales are going to suddenly jump back up.

So this isn't needed right now. Maybe it will in the future but we will see.

But I want to point something out. If prices on the "in demand" mats drop too far, you just won't be able to find them for sale. Which means you will have to farm them anyway.

Regarding the idea of forcing pvp on pvers before they can access basic functionality in the game? Ya you don't want that and it won't work. It could in fact nuke the game, and then whether you have tri pots wouldn't matter.

I will admit that my comment was a bit snarky.

But the number 1 complaint here was that tripots were too expensive. Well the crash in prices cut the cost by over half what it was expected to be and will remain that way for a reasonable amount of time. It easily could have gone the other way.

Enjoy the discount, I wouldn't expect any movement from ZOS until Q2 or Q3 of next year Regarding this.

FoJul wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

FoJul wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Now that columbine prices have fallen there really isn't a need for this anymore.

yes there is, so I can just go to a keep a refill my tri pots with AP.

Close to an infinite supply without having to leave pvp and buy columbine and make 3 stacks for X amount of gold, that I usually dont have, because I'm in cyrodil and not in IA farming gold.

Edit: also columbine gonna go back up, the reason it's so cheap was because everyone farming telvar and selling on Traders. In a few weeks its gonna be right back up, because no one wants to spend 6 hours farming alchemy nodes.

Or you could craft a ton before going into the activity of choice as many players do.

It is a good guess that Columbine will go back up, but we do not know for sure or by how much.

I am just noting they @wolfie1.0. has a good point.

the issue with crafting a ton before going in is that you either:
1. spend every other play session harvesting nodes instead of doing PvP to make enough pots to last, or
2. you spend 3-4 sessions worth of playtime doing so (so basically an entire week) harvesting nodes and not participating in your preferred part of the game, just to have more than 1 session of PvP without having to leave to go make more pots.

To put it another way, (something that I am still yet to see a good answer to) maybe ZOS should force all traders to go do a solid hour of cyrodiil PvP getting a certain number of player kills (say 50 kills and that's killing blows, not just tagging and hoping others get the kills for them), or win 5 BGs in a row before they are allowed to open their mail, interact in anyway with guild stores or harvest resource nodes.

Fair's fair, PvP is just as much a part of ESO as trading and harvesting are, so why are players forced to do the latter 2, to participate in the first, but others aren't forced to participate in the first before getting to do the later 2?

There's also the other forgotten players in this debate, end-game PvE support players (tanks/healers) that use tri-pots as their basic potion instead of single resource or power potions. Players being able to buy tri-stat potions for AP will mean more are listed on guild traders for a cheaper price, allowing a cheaper entry level for players who want to play these vanishing support roles, while the ingredients like columbine will still remain relatively expensive due to being required for many other important things such as:
- heroism potions
- poisons
- immovability/detection potions
- food
- housing items
etc, etc.

Wolfie doesn't have a good point, because until this is added to the game or the prices of all ingredients crash to like 5 gold per, or things on guild stores can also be bought for AP, there will always be a need for this due to how incredibly one sided it is in this game in how to obtain the basic consumables (or the basic currency to buy them) that are required across all other parts of this game.

I have been starting my pvp grind. Been at it since before whitestrakes.

My notes so far:

For the most part pvp is relatively quiet on weekdays, unless a guild or two does a group raid for a bit. Otherwise it's relatively quiet.

I honestly havnt used many tripots. When I do use them they only sometimes help the rest of the time I'm dead anyways.

I just don't really see the benefits of spending that kinda gold on pvp.

Columbine dropped suddenly, the last time it was at current prices by my estimate it took over a year to increase to.

There is no indication that prices or sales are going to suddenly jump back up.

So this isn't needed right now. Maybe it will in the future but we will see.

But I want to point something out. If prices on the "in demand" mats drop too far, you just won't be able to find them for sale. Which means you will have to farm them anyway.

Regarding the idea of forcing pvp on pvers before they can access basic functionality in the game? Ya you don't want that and it won't work. It could in fact nuke the game, and then whether you have tri pots wouldn't matter.

I will admit that my comment was a bit snarky.

But the number 1 complaint here was that tripots were too expensive. Well the crash in prices cut the cost by over half what it was expected to be and will remain that way for a reasonable amount of time. It easily could have gone the other way.

Enjoy the discount, I wouldn't expect any movement from ZOS until Q2 or Q3 of next year Regarding this.

You are speculating that the price will go down. Columbine is used for more than just tri pots. So the abundance of them now, will deffinetely go down. There is 0 question about it.

The price will continue to climb until the next MyM. Its been a constant cycle for the last 3 or so years.

I used probably a stack plus some of tri pots per 2 hour cyrodil session. Sometimes i play for 2 hours sometimes I play longer.

We not even gonna calculate, duels and Infinite archive. its embarassing.

I am speculating that if prices increase it will be a gradual increase, not that they will decrease, and will take time. That you also have between now and next whitestrakes to accumulate more. You know it's comming eventually so you have time to plan.

Besides that the price drop has set prices back over a years worth of increases. It's not going back up to pre crash prices immediately.

Next a question. Why are you using these pots during duels. That seems like a waste of resources imo and seems like an active choice to throw away gold. If you are doing that by choice for an activity that doesn't gain a whole lot, that is a decision made knowing you are tossing away gold and shouldn't play a factor here.

Alliance tripots would be a good addition to the economy. Another way for pvpers to convert AP (ie. Playing time) into gold. I would gladly buy them through traders, rather than buy components and craft, and I know others would value it too.

Anything is better than farming, which is essentially a time tax on actual play.

I don't understand why people would be opposed to this proposal. It is simply adding more options and choice to the game.

BahometZ wrote: »

Alliance tripots would be a good addition to the economy. Another way for pvpers to convert AP (ie. Playing time) into gold. I would gladly buy them through traders, rather than buy components and craft, and I know others would value it too.

Anything is better than farming, which is essentially a time tax on actual play.

I don't understand why people would be opposed to this proposal. It is simply adding more options and choice to the game.

People only oppose QoL changes like this for purely selfish reasons (greed, selfishness, entitlement, pettiness, etc.). It's sad really because this exact change has been done in the past (for spell/weapon power potions) and the market more than just survived, it thrived.

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Now that columbine prices have fallen there really isn't a need for this anymore.

That would be true if only Columbine prices fell. Unfortunately, the entire market crashed. Hakeijos were selling for 70k/unit before the crash. Now it's selling for 35k/unit. Tempering Alloys were selling for 18k/unit before the crash. Now it's 9k/unit.

So unless you’ve stocked up a bunch of gold in the bank before the crash happened, columbine prices falling doesn't matter. People like me who burn through the gold as soon as we make it via selling materials aren't gaining more purchasing power. We’d just get less gold per item sold now and purchasing power stays unchanged.

The solution is to reduce the bottleneck by introducing more sources of items with similar properties as Columbine-crafted items. They did that for Spell and Weapon Power pots. They need to do the same for Tri pots.

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

BahometZ wrote: »

Alliance tripots would be a good addition to the economy. Another way for pvpers to convert AP (ie. Playing time) into gold. I would gladly buy them through traders, rather than buy components and craft, and I know others would value it too.

Anything is better than farming, which is essentially a time tax on actual play.

I don't understand why people would be opposed to this proposal. It is simply adding more options and choice to the game.

People only oppose QoL changes like this for purely selfish reasons (greed, selfishness, entitlement, pettiness, etc.). It's sad really because this exact change has been done in the past (for spell/weapon power potions) and the market more than just survived, it thrived.

1000% THIS

alpha_synuclein wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

FoJul wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Now that columbine prices have fallen there really isn't a need for this anymore.

yes there is, so I can just go to a keep a refill my tri pots with AP.

Close to an infinite supply without having to leave pvp and buy columbine and make 3 stacks for X amount of gold, that I usually dont have, because I'm in cyrodil and not in IA farming gold.

Edit: also columbine gonna go back up, the reason it's so cheap was because everyone farming telvar and selling on Traders. In a few weeks its gonna be right back up, because no one wants to spend 6 hours farming alchemy nodes.

Or you could craft a ton before going into the activity of choice as many players do.

It is a good guess that Columbine will go back up, but we do not know for sure or by how much.

I am just noting they @wolfie1.0. has a good point.

the issue with crafting a ton before going in is that you either:
1. spend every other play session harvesting nodes instead of doing PvP to make enough pots to last, or

For some reason, serious PvE raiders find the time and/or gold to get their potions. I have no issues getting my potions for PvE and PvP. Interesting.

It helps that PvE raiders can sell achievement/farming runs for 10's to 100's of millions of gold (or more) to help them buy those potions, (you know, that same currency that things are listed on guild stores for that they get for playing the game how they want to). Not to mention all the goodies they get along the way such as motifs, style pages, etc that often sells for millions as well..

That would be great if it was commonplace in the PvE world that we all sold carries, but it is not. As for the rest, some of us do more farming for stuff to sell than others. Generalization tends to not hold up very well.

Indeed. Carries are not as popular as those who are against them think.

Also, I have yet to see a trial motif that sells for millions The only thing obtainable in trial that goes into this price range is the polymorph from Asylum. But it's a very rare drop and purely rng based, so nothing that could really be farmed.

Nonetheless, I very much support the idea of AP tripots. And I don't get those who are against it.
It would help many and hurt none...

IDK what Zos tags i need to add, but @ZOS_Icy @ZOS_Bill @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Adrikoth , any thoughts on Alliance Tri-stat potions?