I assume you're a gankblade? I don't really play those kind of builds, but I've been idly wondering how they are done. One thing's for sure: I'm getting hit with Tarnished all the time, not so much with Anthelmir. I think Balorgh still rules, because of the pen and having to get the weapon/spell damage up for a decent proc. If you want to be an outright ganker, I think you have to consciously build ultimate for Balorgh. This is arguably among the reasons why gankers thrive in IC, cause you got mobs to grind there.

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade. You become a more balanced build instead, which is completely fair, especially if you're not into the vampire / Simmering Frenzy / low health / high ultimate playstyle of an outright ganker. That only leaves the question whether Tarnished is the right set to go along with that. On a low weapon/spell damage / low pen build, it's not that strong of a proc.

I will only say that I like neither Rallying nor Wretched on my nightblade personally, albeit other people do. For me the issue is that I cloak a lot on the back bar, then switch and will stay on the front bar for attack. That means during my initial strike, Rallying Cry will not be active. To activate it in advance, I would have to use a heal, but most heals uncloak you, so that doesn't suit my playstyle. Wretched Vitality also has issues. It only activates in combat and, when you cloak a lot, you are often out of combat. In essence both sets, as back bar sets, only activate if you stay in combat long enough that you are swapping back and forth between bars. That arguably makes you a dueller or brawler. With my high cloak uptime playstyle, on the other hand, these sets have low uptime. They typically leave me exposed during the initial gank phase of fights, and everyone likes to jump on the suddenly visible nightblade immediately. I personally use Wyrd Tree on the back bar, the idea being to purge Ele Sus and all of it's secondary effects when I cloak or shade. Also sorc curses, and so on. For protection I use the Esoteric Greaves, but I'm a magblade with an all round utility-focused playstyle, and not a strong ganker. The greaves really only work on magicka characters and you still also need stamina sustain, just as if you were planning to block or dodge roll a lot.

As to the last set for a true ganker, I can only guess. The kind of options that spring to mind include Shattered Fate, Stygian (needs double barring and not sure it's good), another proc like Flame Blossom, or Titanborn when using Seething Fury. Like you, though, I feel I must be missing something. I've never pulled the insane numbers that some people have pulled against me. Then again I'm rarely super tanky and almost never a vampire myself. That's probably it. You need to stack all that stuff to become one of those nightblades that people complain about. Some use Arterial Burst as their spammable for good measure, another low-health-boosted skill.

I play a one bar bow blade and use tarnished and VD at the same time when in a group. I do not run a monster set specifically so Tarn and VD are BOTH active at the same time ALL the time. Balorgs only procs after you use an ultimate. The day I switched to this combo and ditched the monster set my effectiveness was VERY noticeable.

When not in a group and more 1v1 type battles like in IC for example I switch out the VD to Oldfathers since it keys off of the number of the enemies buffs and adds more Weapon and Spell Damage and that then adds to my Tarnished damage. Many people are running one bar builds with Oakensoul which really kicks up the Oldfather's procs.

Both are very nasty combos. Plus the VD and tarnished both proc when using siege weapons. When I hit a large group with a lancer you can see high damage numbers all over the place. People dying like flies.

Tarnished>>>>(5 items) When you deal Critical Damage to an enemy, glass shards burst 8 meters around them, dealing 1129 Physical Damage to enemies in the burst and applying the Sundered status effect. This effect can occur once every 8 seconds and the damage scales off the higher of your Weapon or Spell Damage.

Oakfathers>>>(5 items) Gain 449 Offensive Penetration against enemies for each Major Buff they have active. Gain 20 Weapon and Spell Damage against enemies for each Minor Buff they have active.

The constant Tarnished attacks are getting old.

You can always tell when a set is OP by how many people are using it in PvP

My poor melee toons (Arcanist, Necro, DK) don't stand much of a chance these days. If they go into a group swinging, they will be hit by 7 Tarnished Nightmares, 3 VDs, 2 RoA, 4 haunting curses...

i think the common combo is anthelmir + tarnished, if you do a heavy attack from stealth it can trigger both procs which you can then follow up with like a snipe or something else

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DrNukenstein wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade.

False.

Tarnished and construct are such dense procs that are easy to fit on your build that you are a fool if you do not pick up a back bar set that gives some sustain and/or defense.

You get that extra oomph from the sea serpent coil and special trick that makes you get it's buffs during your gank combo.

Here is a 42k gank landed with the setup. I believe it would've popped harder if I was using Surprise attack, but was experimenting with some extra zoom zooms on the coil.

Pop Quiz: Is the back bar rally or wretched?

Special trick? Don't leave us hanging. Does Healthy Offering proc it, or something?

fred4 wrote: »

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DrNukenstein wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade.

False.

Tarnished and construct are such dense procs that are easy to fit on your build that you are a fool if you do not pick up a back bar set that gives some sustain and/or defense.

You get that extra oomph from the sea serpent coil and special trick that makes you get it's buffs during your gank combo.

Here is a 42k gank landed with the setup. I believe it would've popped harder if I was using Surprise attack, but was experimenting with some extra zoom zooms on the coil.

Pop Quiz: Is the back bar rally or wretched?

Special trick? Don't leave us hanging. Does Healthy Offering proc it, or something?

as far as im aware any "self damage" (mainly abilities that have health cost) does not proc "taking dmg" procs

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

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DrNukenstein wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade.

False.

Tarnished and construct are such dense procs that are easy to fit on your build that you are a fool if you do not pick up a back bar set that gives some sustain and/or defense.

You get that extra oomph from the sea serpent coil and special trick that makes you get it's buffs during your gank combo.

Here is a 42k gank landed with the setup. I believe it would've popped harder if I was using Surprise attack, but was experimenting with some extra zoom zooms on the coil.

Pop Quiz: Is the back bar rally or wretched?

Special trick? Don't leave us hanging. Does Healthy Offering proc it, or something?

as far as im aware any "self damage" (mainly abilities that have health cost) does not proc "taking dmg" procs

would simmering fury or a ravage potion do it?

Theignson wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

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DrNukenstein wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

If you wear Rallying or Wretched on the back bar, then I don't think you will become a truly dangerous gankblade.

False.

Tarnished and construct are such dense procs that are easy to fit on your build that you are a fool if you do not pick up a back bar set that gives some sustain and/or defense.

You get that extra oomph from the sea serpent coil and special trick that makes you get it's buffs during your gank combo.

Here is a 42k gank landed with the setup. I believe it would've popped harder if I was using Surprise attack, but was experimenting with some extra zoom zooms on the coil.

Pop Quiz: Is the back bar rally or wretched?

Special trick? Don't leave us hanging. Does Healthy Offering proc it, or something?

as far as im aware any "self damage" (mainly abilities that have health cost) does not proc "taking dmg" procs

would simmering fury or a ravage potion do it?

that i dont know, i cant say ive ever really used ravage health pots lol

Usually it's Anthelmir monster set + another 5pc burst proc like Winterborn all landing at once. It's pretty broken to stack proc sets for an entire ultimate's worth of free burst damage every 8 seconds, so I encourage everyone to do this as much as possible, to raise awareness of course.

I like to listen to music and play the game I hate this set! They will never learn lessons about proc damage sets!

Pair it with earplugs? META? no it's MASA Most Annoying Sound Available. Get off my aural lawn!

I not only wish they nerfed proccsets like this, but that all the other proccsets thereafter created for DLCs wasnt as OP in its creation.

I’ve really been considering grinding this set as a replacement for orders wrath. I guess they got me, gotta have the dlc lol