PVP makes no sense to me

Ramzdonb16_ESO · August 2018

Why are some people unkillable and do stupid damage as well? I mean literally tanking about 5 or 6 of us then turning around with a dawnbreaker for 8 million dmg.

Nothing in this game makes sense? How can I hit someone who has 18k health with a meteor which has like 16k tooltip while hes fossilised and has ele drain on him then whip him 50 times and he just east it like its a tasty morning breakfast?

Please someone explain the game to me, is it just completely random? Driving me crazy!!!

I have a Stam Sorc Orc with Automaton and Bone Pirate all gold, nirn dualwield

Mag DK with sun and Spell weave (sometimes sun and wyrd tree)

Waffennacht · August 2018

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are some people unkillable and do stupid damage as well? I mean literally tanking about 5 or 6 of us then turning around with a dawnbreaker for 8 million dmg.

Nothing in this game makes sense? How can I hit someone who has 18k health with a meteor which has like 16k tooltip while hes fossilised and has ele drain on him then whip him 50 times and he just east it like its a tasty morning breakfast?

Please someone explain the game to me, is it just completely random? Driving me crazy!!!

I have a Stam Sorc Orc with Automaton and Bone Pirate all gold, nirn dualwield

Mag DK with sun and Spell weave (sometimes sun and wyrd tree)

Game mechanics.

For example, even if your Tooltip for meteor was 50,000 after battle spirit and block it'll do.... Like 4k damage

Almost all players I see losing an Xv1 are not running correct PvP gear
They are not using hard CCs every 5 sec
They are not using snares
They are chasing around a tree and allowing the opponent to use LoS
They are not using cost increase poisons
They are not using unmitigated damage
They are not blocking
They are not roll dodging
They are using their most powerful abilities when their opponent still has max health
They are not running 3k crit resistance
They are not running enough Stam Regen
They think a set like Nocturnals Favor is good
They think a set like Sload is bad
They do not maintain defile 100% uptime
They use executes at full health
They do not use immovable pots or detect pots
They think because they out number their opponent they can spam 1 ability and be effective

VaranisArano · August 2018

This is one of the best starting resources for PVP I've found yet, even though its aimed at the Midyear Mayhem event: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/360956/joy-s-advice-for-midyear-mayhem-event/p1

CatchMeTrolling · August 2018

Sometimes players aren’t as good as they think they are or know what they’re doing. For example that meteor can easily be blocked to do no damage and it’s halved in pvp. I also see a lot mag dks just spam whip when it’s not doing anything but feeding the player magic. Like continuously spamming whip while the player just reapply harness Magicka,

Few weeks ago I was fighting a good 8 players on a medium armor stamplar and they couldn’t kill me for about 10 minutes but I eventually died because my skills wouldn’t fire off. I’m sure they thought I was running some high mitigation build when really it was just their skill level.

Ramzdonb16_ESO · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are some people unkillable and do stupid damage as well? I mean literally tanking about 5 or 6 of us then turning around with a dawnbreaker for 8 million dmg.

Nothing in this game makes sense? How can I hit someone who has 18k health with a meteor which has like 16k tooltip while hes fossilised and has ele drain on him then whip him 50 times and he just east it like its a tasty morning breakfast?

Please someone explain the game to me, is it just completely random? Driving me crazy!!!

I have a Stam Sorc Orc with Automaton and Bone Pirate all gold, nirn dualwield

Mag DK with sun and Spell weave (sometimes sun and wyrd tree)

Game mechanics.

For example, even if your Tooltip for meteor was 50,000 after battle spirit and block it'll do.... Like 4k damage

Almost all players I see losing an Xv1 are not running correct PvP gear
They are not using hard CCs every 5 sec
They are not using snares
They are chasing around a tree and allowing the opponent to use LoS
They are not using cost increase poisons
They are not using unmitigated damage
They are not blocking
They are not roll dodging
They are using their most powerful abilities when their opponent still has max health
They are not running 3k crit resistance
They are not running enough Stam Regen
They think a set like Nocturnals Favor is good
They think a set like Sload is bad
They do not maintain defile 100% uptime
They use executes at full health
They do not use immovable pots or detect pots
They think because they out number their opponent they can spam 1 ability and be effective

Sloads is just a cheat set would like to address that first.

He couldnt block if he was fossilised

Drain poisons should be removed

Dont know what LoS is

2.4k crit resist not good enough?

Other than those im doing it all man

Most of the time im solo so couldnt speak for the others im with

Ramzdonb16_ESO · August 2018

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Sometimes players aren’t as good as they think they are or know what they’re doing. For example that meteor can easily be blocked to do no damage and it’s halved in pvp. I also see a lot mag dks just spam whip when it’s not doing anything but feeding the player magic. Like continuously spamming whip while the player just reapply harness Magicka,

Few weeks ago I was fighting a good 8 players on a medium armor stamplar and they couldn’t kill me for about 10 minutes but I eventually died because my skills wouldn’t fire off. I’m sure they thought I was running some high mitigation build when really it was just their skill level.

You sound like a

But anyway how can you block when youre fossilised?

CatchMeTrolling · August 2018

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Sometimes players aren’t as good as they think they are or know what they’re doing. For example that meteor can easily be blocked to do no damage and it’s halved in pvp. I also see a lot mag dks just spam whip when it’s not doing anything but feeding the player magic. Like continuously spamming whip while the player just reapply harness Magicka,

Few weeks ago I was fighting a good 8 players on a medium armor stamplar and they couldn’t kill me for about 10 minutes but I eventually died because my skills wouldn’t fire off. I’m sure they thought I was running some high mitigation build when really it was just their skill level.

You sound like a

But anyway how can you block when youre fossilised?

A what?

And it was an example of the way things can be mitigated. Your dps is halved and you don’t know how much mitigation the player was running. You have an 8k meteor tooltip is what it sounds like.

Waffennacht · August 2018

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are some people unkillable and do stupid damage as well? I mean literally tanking about 5 or 6 of us then turning around with a dawnbreaker for 8 million dmg.

Nothing in this game makes sense? How can I hit someone who has 18k health with a meteor which has like 16k tooltip while hes fossilised and has ele drain on him then whip him 50 times and he just east it like its a tasty morning breakfast?

Please someone explain the game to me, is it just completely random? Driving me crazy!!!

I have a Stam Sorc Orc with Automaton and Bone Pirate all gold, nirn dualwield

Mag DK with sun and Spell weave (sometimes sun and wyrd tree)

Game mechanics.

For example, even if your Tooltip for meteor was 50,000 after battle spirit and block it'll do.... Like 4k damage

Almost all players I see losing an Xv1 are not running correct PvP gear
They are not using hard CCs every 5 sec
They are not using snares
They are chasing around a tree and allowing the opponent to use LoS
They are not using cost increase poisons
They are not using unmitigated damage
They are not blocking
They are not roll dodging
They are using their most powerful abilities when their opponent still has max health
They are not running 3k crit resistance
They are not running enough Stam Regen
They think a set like Nocturnals Favor is good
They think a set like Sload is bad
They do not maintain defile 100% uptime
They use executes at full health
They do not use immovable pots or detect pots
They think because they out number their opponent they can spam 1 ability and be effective

Sloads is just a cheat set would like to address that first.

He couldnt block if he was fossilised

Drain poisons should be removed

Dont know what LoS is

2.4k crit resist not good enough?

Other than those im doing it all man

Most of the time im solo so couldnt speak for the others im with

Well your specific situation would need more info.

It doesn't matter how we feel about sets, they exist, they will be used, if we don't use them we can't really complain about being out performed. - same with poisons

2.4k crit resistance is -1.4 on opponent's mod. You'll take minimum 30% more damage from a crit up to still 60%.

LoS is Line Of Sight; it means using terrain and obstacles to prevent your opponent from being able to target you and therefore unable to cast attacks. It's usually a tree and your opponent runs around it.

You said your tool tip is like 16k? Fyi that's on the low end. But that's 8k base damage. Let's say you do have Ele drain and passives etc... He could still have 8k-ish resistance or more (10% mitigation) that's down to 7.2k, then you have CP, two CPs - direct dmg and elemental damage. That can be easily 15% each 6k, then 5.1k.

This is a generous guess, but you're looking at hitting for 5k with your meteor. Ok that's usually 25% of your opponent's health, what else are you stacking to deal with that other 75%?

Ramzdonb16_ESO · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are some people unkillable and do stupid damage as well? I mean literally tanking about 5 or 6 of us then turning around with a dawnbreaker for 8 million dmg.

Nothing in this game makes sense? How can I hit someone who has 18k health with a meteor which has like 16k tooltip while hes fossilised and has ele drain on him then whip him 50 times and he just east it like its a tasty morning breakfast?

Please someone explain the game to me, is it just completely random? Driving me crazy!!!

I have a Stam Sorc Orc with Automaton and Bone Pirate all gold, nirn dualwield

Mag DK with sun and Spell weave (sometimes sun and wyrd tree)

Game mechanics.

For example, even if your Tooltip for meteor was 50,000 after battle spirit and block it'll do.... Like 4k damage

Almost all players I see losing an Xv1 are not running correct PvP gear
They are not using hard CCs every 5 sec
They are not using snares
They are chasing around a tree and allowing the opponent to use LoS
They are not using cost increase poisons
They are not using unmitigated damage
They are not blocking
They are not roll dodging
They are using their most powerful abilities when their opponent still has max health
They are not running 3k crit resistance
They are not running enough Stam Regen
They think a set like Nocturnals Favor is good
They think a set like Sload is bad
They do not maintain defile 100% uptime
They use executes at full health
They do not use immovable pots or detect pots
They think because they out number their opponent they can spam 1 ability and be effective

Sloads is just a cheat set would like to address that first.

He couldnt block if he was fossilised

Drain poisons should be removed

Dont know what LoS is

2.4k crit resist not good enough?

Other than those im doing it all man

Most of the time im solo so couldnt speak for the others im with

Well your specific situation would need more info.

It doesn't matter how we feel about sets, they exist, they will be used, if we don't use them we can't really complain about being out performed. - same with poisons

2.4k crit resistance is -1.4 on opponent's mod. You'll take minimum 30% more damage from a crit up to still 60%.

LoS is Line Of Sight; it means using terrain and obstacles to prevent your opponent from being able to target you and therefore unable to cast attacks. It's usually a tree and your opponent runs around it.

You said your tool tip is like 16k? Fyi that's on the low end. But that's 8k base damage. Let's say you do have Ele drain and passives etc... He could still have 8k-ish resistance or more (10% mitigation) that's down to 7.2k, then you have CP, two CPs - direct dmg and elemental damage. That can be easily 15% each 6k, then 5.1k.

This is a generous guess, but you're looking at hitting for 5k with your meteor. Ok that's usually 25% of your opponent's health, what else are you stacking to deal with that other 75%?

to be honest its never the sloads users that are hard to kill. I do use drain pots on my back bar and try to proc them at beginning of fight.

What do you mean 1.4 on opponents mod?

I will have applied the obvious moves like burning talons, volitile armour, and the healing dot (searing strike?) and entropy. I got inner light on usually use meteor when they half or lower while bsw procs, just checked tooltip while fully buffed including bsw and its more like 19k

Ive literally put so much effort in to doing a lot of damage

IZZEFlameLash · August 2018

Just going with what Waffen said...

Did you make sure you are not running on all divines and infused PvE gears?
Are you sure you are not running PvE gear in general?
Are you sure you are comboing properly?
Are you sure you are you are in a proper PvP build?

Ramzdonb16_ESO · August 2018

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Just going with what Waffen said...

Did you make sure you are not running on all divines and infused PvE gears?
Are you sure you are not running PvE gear in general?
Are you sure you are comboing properly?
Are you sure you are you are in a proper PvP build?

4 impen 3 infused

Sun set (400 dmg to fire moves)
Burning spell weave (513 spell damage when you burn guys)
Skoria

All gold (Edit: i lied 2purple spell weave legs and waist)

Is that proper?

Waffennacht · August 2018

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are some people unkillable and do stupid damage as well? I mean literally tanking about 5 or 6 of us then turning around with a dawnbreaker for 8 million dmg.

Nothing in this game makes sense? How can I hit someone who has 18k health with a meteor which has like 16k tooltip while hes fossilised and has ele drain on him then whip him 50 times and he just east it like its a tasty morning breakfast?

Please someone explain the game to me, is it just completely random? Driving me crazy!!!

I have a Stam Sorc Orc with Automaton and Bone Pirate all gold, nirn dualwield

Mag DK with sun and Spell weave (sometimes sun and wyrd tree)

Game mechanics.

For example, even if your Tooltip for meteor was 50,000 after battle spirit and block it'll do.... Like 4k damage

Almost all players I see losing an Xv1 are not running correct PvP gear
They are not using hard CCs every 5 sec
They are not using snares
They are chasing around a tree and allowing the opponent to use LoS
They are not using cost increase poisons
They are not using unmitigated damage
They are not blocking
They are not roll dodging
They are using their most powerful abilities when their opponent still has max health
They are not running 3k crit resistance
They are not running enough Stam Regen
They think a set like Nocturnals Favor is good
They think a set like Sload is bad
They do not maintain defile 100% uptime
They use executes at full health
They do not use immovable pots or detect pots
They think because they out number their opponent they can spam 1 ability and be effective

Sloads is just a cheat set would like to address that first.

He couldnt block if he was fossilised

Drain poisons should be removed

Dont know what LoS is

2.4k crit resist not good enough?

Other than those im doing it all man

Most of the time im solo so couldnt speak for the others im with

Well your specific situation would need more info.

It doesn't matter how we feel about sets, they exist, they will be used, if we don't use them we can't really complain about being out performed. - same with poisons

2.4k crit resistance is -1.4 on opponent's mod. You'll take minimum 30% more damage from a crit up to still 60%.

LoS is Line Of Sight; it means using terrain and obstacles to prevent your opponent from being able to target you and therefore unable to cast attacks. It's usually a tree and your opponent runs around it.

You said your tool tip is like 16k? Fyi that's on the low end. But that's 8k base damage. Let's say you do have Ele drain and passives etc... He could still have 8k-ish resistance or more (10% mitigation) that's down to 7.2k, then you have CP, two CPs - direct dmg and elemental damage. That can be easily 15% each 6k, then 5.1k.

This is a generous guess, but you're looking at hitting for 5k with your meteor. Ok that's usually 25% of your opponent's health, what else are you stacking to deal with that other 75%?

to be honest its never the sloads users that are hard to kill. I do use drain pots on my back bar and try to proc them at beginning of fight.

What do you mean 1.4 on opponents mod?

I will have applied the obvious moves like burning talons, volitile armour, and the healing dot (searing strike?) and entropy. I got inner light on usually use meteor when they half or lower while bsw procs, just checked tooltip while fully buffed including bsw and its more like 19k

Ive literally put so much effort in to doing a lot of damage

It's harder to describe in percentage, but of their critical damage modifiers, you are negating about 1/2 to 1/3rd of a CP critical hit. So you are still taking a decent chunk of damage from crits.

So your abilities are: talons, fossilize, Innerlight, entropy, searing strike?, elemental drain

If you're light armor then you have annulment? Whip?

Here is the thing, I'm getting the feeling you're running a squishy mag build; meaning his offensive doesn't need to be that high to deal solid damage, I'm thinking he's specced into tanky gear and has enough burst to drop you.

If he was Stam, oh hell yeah your dots are gonna make him huge (fury, 7th WW etc)

I'm seeing your issue isn't so much your build in this situation, it sounds more like for you specifically it's a match up issue.

Btw BSW is solid but requires a lot more attention to use well.

What's your other set and monster? If they are bad then BSW is nullified.

Also lack of execute and range is why I dropped MagDK, in this meta no way

Ramzdonb16_ESO · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are some people unkillable and do stupid damage as well? I mean literally tanking about 5 or 6 of us then turning around with a dawnbreaker for 8 million dmg.

Nothing in this game makes sense? How can I hit someone who has 18k health with a meteor which has like 16k tooltip while hes fossilised and has ele drain on him then whip him 50 times and he just east it like its a tasty morning breakfast?

Please someone explain the game to me, is it just completely random? Driving me crazy!!!

I have a Stam Sorc Orc with Automaton and Bone Pirate all gold, nirn dualwield

Mag DK with sun and Spell weave (sometimes sun and wyrd tree)

Game mechanics.

For example, even if your Tooltip for meteor was 50,000 after battle spirit and block it'll do.... Like 4k damage

Almost all players I see losing an Xv1 are not running correct PvP gear
They are not using hard CCs every 5 sec
They are not using snares
They are chasing around a tree and allowing the opponent to use LoS
They are not using cost increase poisons
They are not using unmitigated damage
They are not blocking
They are not roll dodging
They are using their most powerful abilities when their opponent still has max health
They are not running 3k crit resistance
They are not running enough Stam Regen
They think a set like Nocturnals Favor is good
They think a set like Sload is bad
They do not maintain defile 100% uptime
They use executes at full health
They do not use immovable pots or detect pots
They think because they out number their opponent they can spam 1 ability and be effective

Sloads is just a cheat set would like to address that first.

He couldnt block if he was fossilised

Drain poisons should be removed

Dont know what LoS is

2.4k crit resist not good enough?

Other than those im doing it all man

Most of the time im solo so couldnt speak for the others im with

Well your specific situation would need more info.

It doesn't matter how we feel about sets, they exist, they will be used, if we don't use them we can't really complain about being out performed. - same with poisons

2.4k crit resistance is -1.4 on opponent's mod. You'll take minimum 30% more damage from a crit up to still 60%.

LoS is Line Of Sight; it means using terrain and obstacles to prevent your opponent from being able to target you and therefore unable to cast attacks. It's usually a tree and your opponent runs around it.

You said your tool tip is like 16k? Fyi that's on the low end. But that's 8k base damage. Let's say you do have Ele drain and passives etc... He could still have 8k-ish resistance or more (10% mitigation) that's down to 7.2k, then you have CP, two CPs - direct dmg and elemental damage. That can be easily 15% each 6k, then 5.1k.

This is a generous guess, but you're looking at hitting for 5k with your meteor. Ok that's usually 25% of your opponent's health, what else are you stacking to deal with that other 75%?

to be honest its never the sloads users that are hard to kill. I do use drain pots on my back bar and try to proc them at beginning of fight.

What do you mean 1.4 on opponents mod?

I will have applied the obvious moves like burning talons, volitile armour, and the healing dot (searing strike?) and entropy. I got inner light on usually use meteor when they half or lower while bsw procs, just checked tooltip while fully buffed including bsw and its more like 19k

Ive literally put so much effort in to doing a lot of damage

It's harder to describe in percentage, but of their critical damage modifiers, you are negating about 1/2 to 1/3rd of a CP critical hit. So you are still taking a decent chunk of damage from crits.

So your abilities are: talons, fossilize, Innerlight, entropy, searing strike?, elemental drain

If you're light armor then you have annulment? Whip?

Here is the thing, I'm getting the feeling you're running a squishy mag build; meaning his offensive doesn't need to be that high to deal solid damage, I'm thinking he's specced into tanky gear and has enough burst to drop you.

If he was Stam, oh hell yeah your dots are gonna make him huge (fury, 7th WW etc)

I'm seeing your issue isn't so much your build in this situation, it sounds more like for you specifically it's a match up issue.

Btw BSW is solid but requires a lot more attention to use well.

What's your other set and monster? If they are bad then BSW is nullified.

Also lack of execute and range is why I dropped MagDK, in this meta no way

sun
Bsw
Skoria
Destro/restro
Two bloodthirsty rings to remove need for execute
4 piece impen 3 infused, 5 light 1 med 1heavy for mettle

Yeah whip main source of damage after dots,
Annulment healing ward mistform

Its not like everyones like this just some guys

IZZEFlameLash · August 2018

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Just going with what Waffen said...

Did you make sure you are not running on all divines and infused PvE gears?
Are you sure you are not running PvE gear in general?
Are you sure you are comboing properly?
Are you sure you are you are in a proper PvP build?

4 impen 3 infused

Sun set (400 dmg to fire moves)
Burning spell weave (513 spell damage when you burn guys)
Skoria

All gold (Edit: i lied 2purple spell weave legs and waist)

Is that proper?

Those are dps sets yes but ain't going to do a thing if you don't have enough pen. And I wouldn't run Infused. Just not good for magicka builds without huge shield size or those that are just unable to stack huge magicka pool as easy as some other classes. Switch those to impen.

Seems like as the guy above said, now it seems more of matchups or just skills in general. MDKs have trouble killing tanky stam builds in general unless the said stam tank is bad. You won't be seeing 10k damage done to anyone unless you are absolutely penetrating in full or that they are some people running non-impen or pve gear. Like how I can hit an obvious pve guy for 9k whip on my tank DK. Also, since you run all light sets, you will see huge damage numbers done to you regardless because it's basically just a paper which is enough for 7th and/or Fury proc stacks to kill you. Run a shield at least to survive that.

Ramzdonb16_ESO · August 2018

Thanks for the advice guys, really appreciate it and your time. what im getting is i have to learn to pick my battles better and avoid the tanky stam builds?

IZZEFlameLash · August 2018

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Thanks for the advice guys, really appreciate it and your time. what im getting is i have to learn to pick my battles better and avoid the tanky stam builds?

Yes, unfortunately, as a mDK you just don't have enough sustain or damage to dispatch above-potato level stam tanks as well as others like NB. It can be done but it is very prolonged fight and you'd rather watch paint dry on the wall. And you also have to make sacrifices to retain your life better in Cyrodiil like running defensive sets like Fortified Brass or some sustain set to help you sustain better defensively or sacrifice 2 damage glyphs on jewels for sustain glyphs.

Waffennacht · August 2018

I gotta go so I gotta make this kinda quick

Bloodthirsty, bsw, sun skoria has minimal max mag and like no sustain

Your spell damage is being used just to get to decent numbers because max mag so low

Dots + talons + meteor burst needs better sustain to maintain pressure.

Not saying you don't just thoughts I'm having

Have a goodnight and good luck!

Lichbourne90 · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are some people unkillable and do stupid damage as well? I mean literally tanking about 5 or 6 of us then turning around with a dawnbreaker for 8 million dmg.

Nothing in this game makes sense? How can I hit someone who has 18k health with a meteor which has like 16k tooltip while hes fossilised and has ele drain on him then whip him 50 times and he just east it like its a tasty morning breakfast?

Please someone explain the game to me, is it just completely random? Driving me crazy!!!

I have a Stam Sorc Orc with Automaton and Bone Pirate all gold, nirn dualwield

Mag DK with sun and Spell weave (sometimes sun and wyrd tree)

Game mechanics.

For example, even if your Tooltip for meteor was 50,000 after battle spirit and block it'll do.... Like 4k damage

Almost all players I see losing an Xv1 are not running correct PvP gear
They are not using hard CCs every 5 sec
They are not using snares
They are chasing around a tree and allowing the opponent to use LoS
They are not using cost increase poisons
They are not using unmitigated damage
They are not blocking
They are not roll dodging
They are using their most powerful abilities when their opponent still has max health
They are not running 3k crit resistance
They are not running enough Stam Regen
They think a set like Nocturnals Favor is good
They think a set like Sload is bad
They do not maintain defile 100% uptime
They use executes at full health
They do not use immovable pots or detect pots
They think because they out number their opponent they can spam 1 ability and be effective

Sloads is just a cheat set would like to address that first.

He couldnt block if he was fossilised

Drain poisons should be removed

Dont know what LoS is

2.4k crit resist not good enough?

Other than those im doing it all man

Most of the time im solo so couldnt speak for the others im with

Well your specific situation would need more info.

It doesn't matter how we feel about sets, they exist, they will be used, if we don't use them we can't really complain about being out performed. - same with poisons

2.4k crit resistance is -1.4 on opponent's mod. You'll take minimum 30% more damage from a crit up to still 60%.

LoS is Line Of Sight; it means using terrain and obstacles to prevent your opponent from being able to target you and therefore unable to cast attacks. It's usually a tree and your opponent runs around it.

You said your tool tip is like 16k? Fyi that's on the low end. But that's 8k base damage. Let's say you do have Ele drain and passives etc... He could still have 8k-ish resistance or more (10% mitigation) that's down to 7.2k, then you have CP, two CPs - direct dmg and elemental damage. That can be easily 15% each 6k, then 5.1k.

This is a generous guess, but you're looking at hitting for 5k with your meteor. Ok that's usually 25% of your opponent's health, what else are you stacking to deal with that other 75%?

Add vigor and forward momentum ticking and you may as well have not dropped that meteor. Good pvp players have hots ticking constantly and that's something alot of players fail to realize when looking at damage.

NBrookus · August 2018

If you are chasing a stam build around a tree/rock/tower, you need to expect that turn and dawnbreaker or shalk/dawnbreaker. Better yet, don't chase stam builds like that because it's their home turf and a weak spot for mDK.

I am not sold on Bloodthirsty for mDK. I've tried it, it was unnoticeable. You give up damage ALL the time for it. And if you can't burst someone from at least 50 to 0, you aren't likely to get the kill anyway. If we had an execute, maybe it would help as part of a combo. But since we don't, it just sits there.

zParallaxz · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

I gotta go so I gotta make this kinda quick

Bloodthirsty, bsw, sun skoria has minimal max mag and like no sustain

Your spell damage is being used just to get to decent numbers because max mag so low

Dots + talons + meteor burst needs better sustain to maintain pressure.

Not saying you don't just thoughts I'm having

Have a goodnight and good luck!

It sounds like he is trying to run a variation of my build but doesn’t have a perfected rotation, doesn’t understand pvp or all classes and how they work, and lastly hasn’t mastered at least 80% of magdk.

Joy_Division · August 2018

I'm not even sure what to make of the OP. OK, so a tank wasn't dying and then used Dawnbreaker. Then what? I know it didn't do 8 million damage. Did you just get stunned, healed yourself up to full after 2 seconds, and then proceeded to Xv1 your opponent?

Avnr · August 2018

Most have 20k to 23k hp
HA + Dawnbreaker + execute - say bb

MalagenR · August 2018

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are some people unkillable and do stupid damage as well? I mean literally tanking about 5 or 6 of us then turning around with a dawnbreaker for 8 million dmg.

Nothing in this game makes sense? How can I hit someone who has 18k health with a meteor which has like 16k tooltip while hes fossilised and has ele drain on him then whip him 50 times and he just east it like its a tasty morning breakfast?

Please someone explain the game to me, is it just completely random? Driving me crazy!!!

I have a Stam Sorc Orc with Automaton and Bone Pirate all gold, nirn dualwield

Mag DK with sun and Spell weave (sometimes sun and wyrd tree)

Game mechanics.

For example, even if your Tooltip for meteor was 50,000 after battle spirit and block it'll do.... Like 4k damage

Almost all players I see losing an Xv1 are not running correct PvP gear
They are not using hard CCs every 5 sec
They are not using snares
They are chasing around a tree and allowing the opponent to use LoS
They are not using cost increase poisons
They are not using unmitigated damage
They are not blocking
They are not roll dodging
They are using their most powerful abilities when their opponent still has max health
They are not running 3k crit resistance
They are not running enough Stam Regen
They think a set like Nocturnals Favor is good
They think a set like Sload is bad
They do not maintain defile 100% uptime
They use executes at full health
They do not use immovable pots or detect pots
They think because they out number their opponent they can spam 1 ability and be effective

Sloads is just a cheat set would like to address that first.

He couldnt block if he was fossilised

Drain poisons should be removed

Dont know what LoS is

2.4k crit resist not good enough?

Other than those im doing it all man

Most of the time im solo so couldnt speak for the others im with

Sload's isn't a cheat set, you can slot a heal over time and against one player Sload is completely worthless, it's only bothering people because the DOT from multiple players can stack on you and tick for significant amounts of damage, but that's not any different than 15 people Proc'ing Skoria on you at the same time, you're going to die, just a lot faster than the Sload ticks.

LOS = Line of Sight i.e. hiding behind a tree so that 16 of those 18 players who are skill spamming aren't actually putting damage on him.

Drain poisons are a necessity, or at least some type of poison, maybe defensive like escapist on your back bar.

3k crit resist is the go to for Stam toons from what I'm told.

There could be a number of reasons why your Meteor hit for low damage, you could be debuffed, he could be buffed (Major protection on him, Minor Maim on you = 45% damage reduction) plus battle spirit.

PVP is focused around timing. You need to know when it's okay to waste your ultimate and you need to set it up for a killing blow. Many people are also running really high resist sets (bloodspawn + Major protection + minor protection + CP points) which can result in significant damage reduction if you don't have high enough penetration. If you only have Ele Drain that's 5820 spell resist reduction.

The one thing nobody mentioned to you, and which seems weird, is that your a stamina toon using Meteor. Why would you use Meteor on your stamina toon?

Xvorg · August 2018

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Sometimes players aren’t as good as they think they are or know what they’re doing. For example that meteor can easily be blocked to do no damage and it’s halved in pvp. I also see a lot mag dks just spam whip when it’s not doing anything but feeding the player magic. Like continuously spamming whip while the player just reapply harness Magicka,

Few weeks ago I was fighting a good 8 players on a medium armor stamplar and they couldn’t kill me for about 10 minutes but I eventually died because my skills wouldn’t fire off. I’m sure they thought I was running some high mitigation build when really it was just their skill level.

You sound like a

But anyway how can you block when youre fossilised?

Shield ulti?

milllaurie · August 2018

Avnr wrote: »

Most have 20k to 23k hp
HA + Dawnbreaker + execute - say bb

Lol, maybe in non cp against a really mediocre player.

AvalonRanger · July 31

Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are some people unkillable and do stupid damage as well? I mean literally tanking about 5 or 6 of us then turning around with a dawnbreaker for 8 million dmg.

Nothing in this game makes sense? How can I hit someone who has 18k health with a meteor which has like 16k tooltip while hes fossilised and has ele drain on him then whip him 50 times and he just east it like its a tasty morning breakfast?

Please someone explain the game to me, is it just completely random? Driving me crazy!!!

I have a Stam Sorc Orc with Automaton and Bone Pirate all gold, nirn dualwield

Mag DK with sun and Spell weave (sometimes sun and wyrd tree)

"Nothing in this game makes sense?"

I just can't feel any of "enthusiasm" to build PVP character only for ESO PVP.

Kill someone, then I don't feel nothing.
Be killed by someone, then I don't feel nothing.

But. be interrupted by someone when I was doing event job in the PVP zone.
Then I just feel disgusting emotion.

That's all about ESO PVP for me.

ZOS_Volpe · July 31

Hi there,

We have gone ahead and closed this thread down since it is rather old. Please keep in mind that sometimes it is better to create a new topic, instead of replying in one that was posted a while ago.

Thanks for your understanding.