Player activated same patron twice at once?

Scarefish · July 16

I just had a match where I lost because it seemed like the enemy player had the ability to move patrons all the way over from "unfavoured" to "favoured in a single turn. I noticed it with Red Eagle. Whenever I would use this patron it would only move by one. I had him favoured, and the opponent flipped it all the way over in a single turn.

spartaxoxo · July 16

There are various effects that allow you to turn a patron more than once e.g. the combo effect of Currency Exchange from the Hlallu deck. Or the Tithe card, which is always available in any match because it's a basic tavern card.

https://eso-hub.com/en/tales-of-tribute/grandmaster-delmene-hlaalu/currency-exchange

https://eso-hub.com/en/tales-of-tribute/treasury/tithe

Without seeing the match in question, I can't tell you which card was used. But there are various cards in the game that have this effect.

Scarefish · July 16

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There are various effects that allow you to turn a patron more than once e.g. the combo effect of Currency Exchange from the Hlallu deck. Or the Tithe card, which is always available in any match because it's a basic tavern card.

https://eso-hub.com/en/tales-of-tribute/grandmaster-delmene-hlaalu/currency-exchange

https://eso-hub.com/en/tales-of-tribute/treasury/tithe

Without seeing the match in question, I can't tell you which card was used. But there are various cards in the game that have this effect.

This will force you to use a different patron. afaik you can never use the same patron twice in a single turn.

Personofsecrets · July 16

Scarefish wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There are various effects that allow you to turn a patron more than once e.g. the combo effect of Currency Exchange from the Hlallu deck. Or the Tithe card, which is always available in any match because it's a basic tavern card.

https://eso-hub.com/en/tales-of-tribute/grandmaster-delmene-hlaalu/currency-exchange

https://eso-hub.com/en/tales-of-tribute/treasury/tithe

Without seeing the match in question, I can't tell you which card was used. But there are various cards in the game that have this effect.

This will force you to use a different patron. afaik you can never use the same patron twice in a single turn.

The only patrons limited in that way are Crow and Ansei. All others can be used up to the number of patron uses one has available so long as costs can be paid.

Scarefish · July 17

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Scarefish wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There are various effects that allow you to turn a patron more than once e.g. the combo effect of Currency Exchange from the Hlallu deck. Or the Tithe card, which is always available in any match because it's a basic tavern card.

https://eso-hub.com/en/tales-of-tribute/grandmaster-delmene-hlaalu/currency-exchange

https://eso-hub.com/en/tales-of-tribute/treasury/tithe

Without seeing the match in question, I can't tell you which card was used. But there are various cards in the game that have this effect.

This will force you to use a different patron. afaik you can never use the same patron twice in a single turn.

The only patrons limited in that way are Crow and Ansei. All others can be used up to the number of patron uses one has available so long as costs can be paid.

Oh, interesting. I might have tried to cheese with crow and a tithe card one time and assumed that applied to all patrons

spartaxoxo · July 17

Personofsecrets wrote: »

The only patrons limited in that way are Crow and Ansei. All others can be used up to the number of patron uses one has available so long as costs can be paid.

Wait, does this apply to Crow? I know it applies to Ansei because Ansei doesn't have a neutral state. So, 1 turn swings it from unfavored to favored. But Crow just takes all your coin. Are you not able to spend all your coin, play a card to get more coin, and then turn it again using that new coin?

Personofsecrets · July 17

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

The only patrons limited in that way are Crow and Ansei. All others can be used up to the number of patron uses one has available so long as costs can be paid.

Wait, does this apply to Crow? I know it applies to Ansei because Ansei doesn't have a neutral state. So, 1 turn swings it from unfavored to favored. But Crow just takes all your coin. Are you not able to spend all your coin, play a card to get more coin, and then turn it again using that new coin?

What I'm trying to convey is that all patrons can be used any number of times during a turn except for Ansei and Crow. Those two can't be used when favored.

You can do what you mentioned with Crow. Some people try to protect against a patron win by making the Crow favored, but they may not know (or hope the opponent doesn't know) about the gold sequencing you mention.

spartaxoxo · July 17

Personofsecrets wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

The only patrons limited in that way are Crow and Ansei. All others can be used up to the number of patron uses one has available so long as costs can be paid.

Wait, does this apply to Crow? I know it applies to Ansei because Ansei doesn't have a neutral state. So, 1 turn swings it from unfavored to favored. But Crow just takes all your coin. Are you not able to spend all your coin, play a card to get more coin, and then turn it again using that new coin?

What I'm trying to convey is that all patrons can be used any number of times during a turn except for Ansei and Crow. Those two can't be used when favored.

You can do what you mentioned with Crow. Some people try to protect against a patron win by making the Crow favored, but they may not know (or hope the opponent doesn't know) about the gold sequencing you mention.

Yes, but the OP was originally asking about changing the patron from unfavored to favored. So, I thought you were saying you can't do that with Crow. I see you now mean that you can't use the Crow patron again when favored, which I was aware of.

jaws343 · July 17

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

The only patrons limited in that way are Crow and Ansei. All others can be used up to the number of patron uses one has available so long as costs can be paid.

Wait, does this apply to Crow? I know it applies to Ansei because Ansei doesn't have a neutral state. So, 1 turn swings it from unfavored to favored. But Crow just takes all your coin. Are you not able to spend all your coin, play a card to get more coin, and then turn it again using that new coin?

Yes, you can turn crow neutral, then with a tithe ready, play another coin out, and then turn crow favored, in the same turn. You just have to make sure on the first turn you still have coin in your hand to play afterwards.

Personofsecrets · July 17

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

The only patrons limited in that way are Crow and Ansei. All others can be used up to the number of patron uses one has available so long as costs can be paid.

Wait, does this apply to Crow? I know it applies to Ansei because Ansei doesn't have a neutral state. So, 1 turn swings it from unfavored to favored. But Crow just takes all your coin. Are you not able to spend all your coin, play a card to get more coin, and then turn it again using that new coin?

What I'm trying to convey is that all patrons can be used any number of times during a turn except for Ansei and Crow. Those two can't be used when favored.

You can do what you mentioned with Crow. Some people try to protect against a patron win by making the Crow favored, but they may not know (or hope the opponent doesn't know) about the gold sequencing you mention.

Yes, but the OP was originally asking about changing the patron from unfavored to favored. So, I thought you were saying you can't do that with Crow. I see you now mean that you can't use the Crow patron again when favored, which I was aware of.

One other point that I can bring up, which may be relevant, is that if someone does have multiple Patron uses available and can pay the cost, some Patrons may seem like they are getting flipped dirrectly from Favored to Unfavored.

If someone just clicks on the Patron in questin twice in quick succession, then it could have that type of effect.

Red Eagle would be one of the easiest Patrons to have this type of thing happen since using it doesn't require any targeting.