Least complained about Class?

Zama666 · June 15

I am guessing this is cyclic....one class gets mega buffed and everyone else feels the pain?

Or is there a least complained about class?

Thotz,?

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silky_soft · June 15

Ranged in general. Melee has too many advantages and not enough draw backs.

It's too hard as ranged to deal damage, heal, reduce damage and leave a fight.

Zama666 · June 15

Hey @silky_soft

Thanks for sharing! Would you please elaborate? PvP or PVE? And tell me what you are doing! I love understanding how people use their weapons!

I usually get murdered by Destro staff, especially crush shock or it's morphs!

Meanwhile, 1hand & shield, yeah, good block, but my attack...wet noodle.

A ranged heal would be really interesting though, not sure how that would help. Imagine watching a team mate get swarmed by a ball and living cuz you gave a mega heal from a distance!

Would like to see a whip or something be further ranged and perhaps blind (blank out the players screen for a second) or knock out their weapon.

But ranged weapons are king! Bows with poison...they make keep defense tough!

Firstmep · June 15

Zama666 wrote: »

Hey @silky_soft

Thanks for sharing! Would you please elaborate? PvP or PVE? And tell me what you are doing! I love understanding how people use their weapons!

I usually get murdered by Destro staff, especially crush shock or it's morphs!

Meanwhile, 1hand & shield, yeah, good block, but my attack...wet noodle.

A ranged heal would be really interesting though, not sure how that would help. Imagine watching a team mate get swarmed by a ball and living cuz you gave a mega heal from a distance!

Would like to see a whip or something be further ranged and perhaps blind (blank out the players screen for a second) or knock out their weapon.

But ranged weapons are king! Bows with poison...they make keep defense tough!

With one handed and shield you really want to play a bash build, they're probably the strongest they have ever been.

Amottica · June 16

Firstmep wrote: »

Zama666 wrote: »

Hey @silky_soft

Thanks for sharing! Would you please elaborate? PvP or PVE? And tell me what you are doing! I love understanding how people use their weapons!

I usually get murdered by Destro staff, especially crush shock or it's morphs!

Meanwhile, 1hand & shield, yeah, good block, but my attack...wet noodle.

A ranged heal would be really interesting though, not sure how that would help. Imagine watching a team mate get swarmed by a ball and living cuz you gave a mega heal from a distance!

Would like to see a whip or something be further ranged and perhaps blind (blank out the players screen for a second) or knock out their weapon.

But ranged weapons are king! Bows with poison...they make keep defense tough!

With one handed and shield you really want to play a bash build, they're probably the strongest they have ever been.

Yes, but there should be a tradeoff between survival and damage. The greater survival a build has, the less damage it should do. This is something that has not always been balanced well in ESO.

silky_soft · June 16

Amottica wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Zama666 wrote: »

Hey @silky_soft

Thanks for sharing! Would you please elaborate? PvP or PVE? And tell me what you are doing! I love understanding how people use their weapons!

I usually get murdered by Destro staff, especially crush shock or it's morphs!

Meanwhile, 1hand & shield, yeah, good block, but my attack...wet noodle.

A ranged heal would be really interesting though, not sure how that would help. Imagine watching a team mate get swarmed by a ball and living cuz you gave a mega heal from a distance!

Would like to see a whip or something be further ranged and perhaps blind (blank out the players screen for a second) or knock out their weapon.

But ranged weapons are king! Bows with poison...they make keep defense tough!

With one handed and shield you really want to play a bash build, they're probably the strongest they have ever been.

Yes, but there should be a tradeoff between survival and damage. The greater survival a build has, the less damage it should do. This is something that has not always been balanced well in ESO.

Everytime a buff to melee has slipped through the cracks into a patch. It gets nerfed into the ground.

I personally believe all percentage resistance need to be removed and they only affect your armor rating instead. So that pen has an actual effect. Then you'll have a soft cap, then a hard cap.

They also need to fix scaling on resistance based on HP. Shield status needs to affect it. Basically now you can have low HP, put a shield on and still get the bonuses from it. Just spam your shields up effectively overbuffing the sheilds beyond burst healing. If you put a shield on it should calculate as if it's your HP, losing those resistance.

SeaGtGruff · June 16

silky_soft wrote: »

Ranged in general. Melee has too many advantages and not enough draw backs.

It's too hard as ranged to deal damage, heal, reduce damage and leave a fight.

That's interesting, because as someone who prefers playing melee characters-- in this as well as other games-- I've always felt that melee fighters were at an inherent disadvantage compared to ranged fighters. There's a reason why I always try to take out any archers and spellcasters first in a fight, and it isn't because they have a hard time dealing damage.

Major_Toughness · June 16

silky_soft wrote: »

Ranged in general. Melee has too many advantages and not enough draw backs.

It's too hard as ranged to deal damage, heal, reduce damage and leave a fight.

[snip] Ranged damage is far too high is this game.

Every class has people who complain about it
Sorc - Most overpowered class in PvP
NB - very good at killing noobs, they don't like that
Warden - mainly role players wanting ice damage DPS, then others complaining about being forced to use ice damage
Templar - Beam is OP, rest of the class sucks. People complaining about both.
Necro - it sucks
Arcanist - overly tanky in PvP and just god damn boring to play in PvE. Also requires no effect for still top AoE DPS

[edited for baiting]

Galeriano2 · June 16

Firstmep wrote: »

Zama666 wrote: »

Hey @silky_soft

Thanks for sharing! Would you please elaborate? PvP or PVE? And tell me what you are doing! I love understanding how people use their weapons!

I usually get murdered by Destro staff, especially crush shock or it's morphs!

Meanwhile, 1hand & shield, yeah, good block, but my attack...wet noodle.

A ranged heal would be really interesting though, not sure how that would help. Imagine watching a team mate get swarmed by a ball and living cuz you gave a mega heal from a distance!

Would like to see a whip or something be further ranged and perhaps blind (blank out the players screen for a second) or knock out their weapon.

But ranged weapons are king! Bows with poison...they make keep defense tough!

With one handed and shield you really want to play a bash build, they're probably the strongest they have ever been.

Current bash builds are not even close to prime time necro bash build (around 2019-20) and prime time nb bash build (2014-15).

Gray_howling_parrot · June 16

Necro

For sure

Idk probably arcanist or dk. Only complaints about them is being too OP lol

Turtle_Bot · June 16

Arcanist, simply for the fact that it hasn't existed for as long as the other classes.

Amottica · June 16

silky_soft wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Zama666 wrote: »

Hey @silky_soft

Thanks for sharing! Would you please elaborate? PvP or PVE? And tell me what you are doing! I love understanding how people use their weapons!

I usually get murdered by Destro staff, especially crush shock or it's morphs!

Meanwhile, 1hand & shield, yeah, good block, but my attack...wet noodle.

A ranged heal would be really interesting though, not sure how that would help. Imagine watching a team mate get swarmed by a ball and living cuz you gave a mega heal from a distance!

Would like to see a whip or something be further ranged and perhaps blind (blank out the players screen for a second) or knock out their weapon.

But ranged weapons are king! Bows with poison...they make keep defense tough!

With one handed and shield you really want to play a bash build, they're probably the strongest they have ever been.

Yes, but there should be a tradeoff between survival and damage. The greater survival a build has, the less damage it should do. This is something that has not always been balanced well in ESO.

Everytime a buff to melee has slipped through the cracks into a patch. It gets nerfed into the ground.

I personally believe all percentage resistance need to be removed and they only affect your armor rating instead. So that pen has an actual effect. Then you'll have a soft cap, then a hard cap.

They also need to fix scaling on resistance based on HP. Shield status needs to affect it. Basically now you can have low HP, put a shield on and still get the bonuses from it. Just spam your shields up effectively overbuffing the sheilds beyond burst healing. If you put a shield on it should calculate as if it's your HP, losing those resistance.

@silky_soft

My comment is in reply to a comment about Sword and Shield, so spamming a skill that creates a shield is irrelevant to my comment.

Also, HP has no resistance to begin with so it has none to gain or lose.

Wereswan · June 17

Cooperharley wrote: »

Necro

For sure

Idk probably arcanist or dk. Only complaints about them is being too OP lol

Depends: are we talking "complained about by others" or "complained about by the folks that play it?"

SkaraMinoc · June 17

Firstmep wrote: »

With one handed and shield you really want to play a bash build, they're probably the strongest they have ever been.

No way. Bash builds are weaker than ever. With the exception of a few specialized bash builds, you're better off dropping Deadlands Demolisher entirely and just use normal damage sets with bash glyphs.

TechMaybeHic · June 17

Complained about as "this class is OP" or "man this class sucks"? For PvP?

If it's about being OP, the most is sorc or NB. Warden is quietly murmured only because the first 2 exist

If it's the class sucks, the most is probably necro.

If it's kind of both, it seems DK kind of the least either way, and templar is probably the most as far as both ways at the same time somehow

Wereswan · June 17

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Complained about as "this class is OP" or "man this class sucks"? For PvP?

If it's about being OP, the most is sorc or NB. Warden is quietly murmured only because the first 2 exist

If it's the class sucks, the most is probably necro.

If it's kind of both, it seems DK kind of the least either way, and templar is probably the most as far as both ways at the same time somehow

People complain about Radiant Glory/Oppression all the time (which is, not coincidentally, one of the few bits of our toolkit that hasn't been nerfed in awhile.)

Zama666 · June 17

Wereswan wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Complained about as "this class is OP" or "man this class sucks"? For PvP?

If it's about being OP, the most is sorc or NB. Warden is quietly murmured only because the first 2 exist

If it's the class sucks, the most is probably necro.

If it's kind of both, it seems DK kind of the least either way, and templar is probably the most as far as both ways at the same time somehow

People complain about Radiant Glory/Oppression all the time (which is, not coincidentally, one of the few bits of our toolkit that hasn't been nerfed in awhile.)

It is channeled, and really only useful as a finisher on a single target. Personally, I don't think it anything incredible. It only tickles people if they are over 50% health. But it looks so cool!

TechMaybeHic · June 17

Zama666 wrote: »

Wereswan wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Complained about as "this class is OP" or "man this class sucks"? For PvP?

If it's about being OP, the most is sorc or NB. Warden is quietly murmured only because the first 2 exist

If it's the class sucks, the most is probably necro.

If it's kind of both, it seems DK kind of the least either way, and templar is probably the most as far as both ways at the same time somehow

People complain about Radiant Glory/Oppression all the time (which is, not coincidentally, one of the few bits of our toolkit that hasn't been nerfed in awhile.)

It is channeled, and really only useful as a finisher on a single target. Personally, I don't think it anything incredible. It only tickles people if they are over 50% health. But it looks so cool!

In the past, I could care less and would be ok with just using 2h execute; but any more it's speed and streak fest so it's invaluable as a finisher. Most that complain about it are because they couldn't just run away dodging

silky_soft · June 18

silky_soft wrote: »

Ranged in general. Melee has too many advantages and not enough draw backs.

It's too hard as ranged to deal damage, heal, reduce damage and leave a fight.

If no one realised. This is sarcasm, range is so overpowered in both pvp and pve.

Because Wheeler hates being ganked close range by nb. They can't fully remove cloak from the class. But adds so many counters to the game, even detect pots that dont reveal you. Then slowly takes away all the close range gank skills and sets.

Now we got a freaking laser show and over tuned resistance stacking with hp.

Zama666 · June 18

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Zama666 wrote: »

Wereswan wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Complained about as "this class is OP" or "man this class sucks"? For PvP?

If it's about being OP, the most is sorc or NB. Warden is quietly murmured only because the first 2 exist

If it's the class sucks, the most is probably necro.

If it's kind of both, it seems DK kind of the least either way, and templar is probably the most as far as both ways at the same time somehow

People complain about Radiant Glory/Oppression all the time (which is, not coincidentally, one of the few bits of our toolkit that hasn't been nerfed in awhile.)

It is channeled, and really only useful as a finisher on a single target. Personally, I don't think it anything incredible. It only tickles people if they are over 50% health. But it looks so cool!

In the past, I could care less and would be ok with just using 2h execute; but any more it's speed and streak fest so it's invaluable as a finisher. Most that complain about it are because they couldn't just run away dodging

oh yes...streak....i am a victim of it often!

Luna_the_Rat · June 22

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Complained about as "this class is OP" or "man this class sucks"? For PvP?

If it's about being OP, the most is sorc or NB. Warden is quietly murmured only because the first 2 exist

If it's the class sucks, the most is probably necro.

If it's kind of both, it seems DK kind of the least either way, and templar is probably the most as far as both ways at the same time somehow

ive personally found the DK overturned ( But nowhere like Sorc or Arc ATM . . ) for the purpose of inviting in new players since 2015, but that is me quietly unhappy about ZOS' decision making over the years