Why do the chests in vet trials drop non perfected gear?

RaikaNA · June 2024

The point of doing vet trials is to obtain perfected gear/jewlery and weapons so why is the chests in vet trials giving you non perfected gear? It almost seem obsolete at this time... even master chests...not even worth putting chests in the trial to begin with because it's not really "treasure" and 99% if not 100% is complete garbage.

Please fix the chest inside vet trials so that it can drop perfected gear/weapons... so that it can be worth going for.

Sync01 · June 2024

Just because you only do trials to farm gear doesn't mean that's the point of them.

RaikaNA · June 2024

Sync01 wrote: »

Just because you only do trials to farm gear doesn't mean that's the point of them.

The point of doing veteran trials is to obtain better and bigger rewards during and after... that means that chests should also drop better rewards. Normal drops should only drop in NORMAL trials.

fizl101 · June 2024

People would just kill the first boss, farm chests, rinse and repeat. You get normal gear in purple instead of blue in vet so it is improved, just not perfected

Sync01 · June 2024

RaikaNA wrote: »

Sync01 wrote: »

Just because you only do trials to farm gear doesn't mean that's the point of them.

The point of doing veteran trials is to obtain better and bigger rewards during and after... that means that chests should also drop better rewards. Normal drops should only drop in NORMAL trials.

Right... just like the point of pvp is to get tel var, the point of tales of tributes is to get rewards, the point of housing is to win housing contests etc. God forbid anyone does anything because they enjoy it. The rewards you get from something might be an incentive, and maybe you only do that particular thing because you want the reward but that does not mean it's the point of it.

aleksandr_ESO · June 2024

> The point of doing vet trials is to obtain perfected gear/jewlery and weapons

not true

> why is the chests in vet trials giving you non perfected gear

A perfect gear is an exceptional reward obtained from difficult bosses. It cannot drop in such quantities (in vLC, for example, 7 chests), otherwise all farm raids will end within two weeks after the release of the chapter

> The point of doing veteran trials is to obtain better and bigger rewards

And you get it, don't you?

> that means that chests should also drop better rewards

No, it doesn't mean that.

RaikaNA · June 2024

fizl101 wrote: »

People would just kill the first boss, farm chests, rinse and repeat. You get normal gear in purple instead of blue in vet so it is improved, just not perfected

No point of having chests in vet trials if you're not going to get quality rewards from them.. and no people would not be doing that. I don't call it an improvement... just another trash to ber de'coned.

sarahthes · June 2024

RaikaNA wrote: »

fizl101 wrote: »

People would just kill the first boss, farm chests, rinse and repeat. You get normal gear in purple instead of blue in vet so it is improved, just not perfected

No point of having chests in vet trials if you're not going to get quality rewards from them.. and no people would not be doing that. I don't call it an improvement... just another trash to ber de'coned.

You say they wouldn't do that... but in the past they have done that...

Snake farm anyone?

Who remembers when you could sneak past Lokkestiiz to loot the chests in Sunspire? Back when 3 of the 4 trial sets in there were meta.

Soarora · June 2024

I agree the chests should drop perfected gear. There’s a curation system now, that’s better than the rng of a chest. There’s also four sets each with every weapon type, making completing trials a huge task. I need many multiples of gear but only two trials that are completed (AS and HoF…), making recon costs higher than I’d like.

Dagoth_Rac · June 2024

They should put a special treasure chest in final boss rooms. One that can't be opened without pulling final boss. This would result in defeating final boss giving 1 piece of curated perfected gear (from looting corpse) and 1 piece of non-curated perfected gear (via that special treasure chest). ZOS seems to want us to focus on clearing Trials, not just farming chests. This would allow for perfected gear from a treasure chest while still making you clear Trial.

sarahthes · June 2024

Just farm HM. You get 2 drops instead of one.

Soarora · June 2024

sarahthes wrote: »

Just farm HM. You get 2 drops instead of one.

Who can “just” farm HM? KA, CR, AS, SS HMs? Sure, if you know good players but not very attainable for the average endgamer. SE HM? DSR HM? LC HM? RG HM? Very few people can farm those and the people who can probably know the trials so well their book is full already… let alone the fact you need the gear from those trials to even do the HMs anyways?

sarahthes · June 2024

Soarora wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Just farm HM. You get 2 drops instead of one.

Who can “just” farm HM? KA, CR, AS, SS HMs? Sure, if you know good players but not very attainable for the average endgamer. SE HM? DSR HM? LC HM? RG HM? Very few people can farm those and the people who can probably know the trials so well their book is full already… let alone the fact you need the gear from those trials to even do the HMs anyways?

I was joking...

Orbital78 · June 2024

RaikaNA wrote: »

fizl101 wrote: »

People would just kill the first boss, farm chests, rinse and repeat. You get normal gear in purple instead of blue in vet so it is improved, just not perfected

No point of having chests in vet trials if you're not going to get quality rewards from them.. and no people would not be doing that. I don't call it an improvement... just another trash to ber de'coned.

Master and advanced chests tend to be more common in vet along with higher quality gear upgrades. There would be less point in clearing the whole trial and usually harder bosses and pulls if you could just farm chests after the first boss.

Desiato · June 2024

The value of an item in an MMO tends to be proportional to the difficulty of obtaining it and/or its scarcity.

By being more difficult to obtain, perfected items have more value and therefore are a greater reward for those who have the ability to obtain them efficiently. It provides motivation to not only be good enough to complete the content, but to become good enough to complete it quickly and effortlessly.

It seems they have compromised with more casual players by making non-perfected gear -- which is almost as good as perfected -- extremely accessible. If I recall correctly, in the old days one would not even get trial gear drops from normal trials.

Necrotech_Master · June 2024

sarahthes wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

fizl101 wrote: »

People would just kill the first boss, farm chests, rinse and repeat. You get normal gear in purple instead of blue in vet so it is improved, just not perfected

No point of having chests in vet trials if you're not going to get quality rewards from them.. and no people would not be doing that. I don't call it an improvement... just another trash to ber de'coned.

You say they wouldn't do that... but in the past they have done that...

Snake farm anyone?

Who remembers when you could sneak past Lokkestiiz to loot the chests in Sunspire? Back when 3 of the 4 trial sets in there were meta.

the only problem with the snake farm is no weapons lol

i still sometimes see people advertising snake farms though its been less common since the collection book became a thing

tsaescishoeshiner · June 2024

I think it'd be cool if chests on vet had a CHANCE for perfected gear--maybe only in Master chests?

Otherwise, it kind of is the main reward for completing the trial, so that you have to complete it to get perfected weapons/jewels.

Reginald_leBlem · June 2024

sarahthes wrote: »

Just farm HM. You get 2 drops instead of one.

Genius solution, for sure.

MudcrabAttack · June 2024

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I think it'd be cool if chests on vet had a CHANCE for perfected gear--maybe only in Master chests?

Otherwise, it kind of is the main reward for completing the trial, so that you have to complete it to get perfected weapons/jewels.

Exactly, my trial group always sprints past every chest since it doesn’t contain what we’re after. If there was a chance of getting perfected we probably wouldn’t

El_Borracho · June 2024

Its like what @sarahthes said. If you get past Lokke, you gain access to 4-6 chests in the area before you get to Yolna. Meaning now you would only have to beat one boss to get between 5-7 perfected pieces and quit. Versus the 3 you get for beating the actual bosses, and needing to beat the final boss for weapons and jewels. Its not even close to what is intended for veteran trials.

Dojohoda · June 2024

It'd be nice to see vet gear in the chests of vet trials, however, weapons and jewelry can appear in the chests. ...

CrashTest · June 2024

No. The perfected gear is for beating vet bosses, not just for zoning into a vet trial and opening chests.

RaikaNA wrote: »

People would just kill the first boss, farm chests, rinse and repeat. You get normal gear in purple instead of blue in vet so it is improved, just not perfected

No point of having chests in vet trials if you're not going to get quality rewards from them.. and no people would not be doing that. I don't call it an improvement... just another trash to ber de'coned.

Wrong. People used to chest farm vSS. That's why it's different now.

Besides, the perfected version isn't that much different from the normal version. You can do every hm and trifecta in normal gear. It's more about the player skill than the gear.

Also, the chests in vet drop purple quality gear, so you don't have to waste mats while you progress. They can also drop expensive motifs and plans, so they're not entirely useless.

Sonnir · June 2024

I absolutely agree that chests in vet trials should drop perfected gear.

Comparisons to old trials is not useful. Most everyone who currently plays will have what they want out of the older trials anyways. And new players coming to the game, why not allow them to speed up getting geared up? How does that negatively affect "you"?

We need more people doing trials in ESO. Make the rewards worth the time and effort.

Froil · June 2024

I haven't seen anyone explain why so I'll do it. It's because back when Sunspire came out people skipped the bosses and got to that back area between Lokkestiiz and Yolnahkriin and just killed/ignored the adds there to get the chests on vet for easy perfected gear. This was abused to hell and back so ZoS said "nope no perf gear in vTrial chests." If chests were locked behind beating bosses, like in MoL, it wouldn't matter as much, if at all.

kargen27 · June 2024

RaikaNA wrote: »

Sync01 wrote: »

Just because you only do trials to farm gear doesn't mean that's the point of them.

The point of doing veteran trials is to obtain better and bigger rewards during and after... that means that chests should also drop better rewards. Normal drops should only drop in NORMAL trials.

You can get furniture plans and motifs from the treasure chests. So if they don't already then maybe give chests in vet trials a better chance of dropping plans and other things. Perfected gear should stay as the reward for killing a boss.

furiouslog · June 2024

It'd be nice if the chests dropped more or better stuff, at least. Or maybe only a Master chest could drop a perfected piece, which would make it more random and tough to farm.

Actually, doing vLC for the past few days it seems like the Master chests drop extra loot as it is, I think I got like 5 non-perfected pieces from one Master chest.

Rkindaleft · June 2024

Back when Sunspire released people were doing "chest cheese farms" where they would just run past everything and die, skip Lokke, loot 5 chests and reset. They then changed it so you can only get the chests after you defeat either boss and that's also why the system is like that today.

TaSheen · June 2024

furiouslog wrote: »

It'd be nice if the chests dropped more or better stuff, at least. Or maybe only a Master chest could drop a perfected piece, which would make it more random and tough to farm.

Actually, doing vLC for the past few days it seems like the Master chests drop extra loot as it is, I think I got like 5 non-perfected pieces from one Master chest.

Uh.... that sounds like a bug?

Soarora · June 2024

Rkindaleft wrote: »

Back when Sunspire released people were doing "chest cheese farms" where they would just run past everything and die, skip Lokke, loot 5 chests and reset. They then changed it so you can only get the chests after you defeat either boss and that's also why the system is like that today.

Back in that day though, curation wasn't a thing. So there was the same value to chests than completing the trial. Nowadays we have curation and our collection book. It doesn't hurt to let us have rng perfected drops in chests when they don't have the same use as completing the trial. It'd help towards the overall goal, absolutely, but you'd still be best off completing the trial for the curation to kick in.

tonyblack · June 2024

CrashTest wrote: »

No. The perfected gear is for beating vet bosses, not just for zoning into a vet trial and opening chests.

RaikaNA wrote: »

People would just kill the first boss, farm chests, rinse and repeat. You get normal gear in purple instead of blue in vet so it is improved, just not perfected

No point of having chests in vet trials if you're not going to get quality rewards from them.. and no people would not be doing that. I don't call it an improvement... just another trash to ber de'coned.

Wrong. People used to chest farm vSS. That's why it's different now.

Besides, the perfected version isn't that much different from the normal version. You can do every hm and trifecta in normal gear. It's more about the player skill than the gear.

Also, the chests in vet drop purple quality gear, so you don't have to waste mats while you progress. They can also drop expensive motifs and plans, so they're not entirely useless.

If it isnt that much different than what the point to gating it behind boss kills? Gear is not an indication of player skills, achievements are.

Also i dont remember getting any motifs or plans from chests they drop from bosses and coffers, including normal and i’m almost chuckle for purple quality, like who cares about that if upgrade from blue to purple is dirty cheap.

Every farm group skipping those worthless chests, because they drop literal trash.

Personally, i don’t understand what even the big deal is if chests drop perfected gear, you literally need to run vtrial for 80+ runs to fill collection for JUST ONE trial, this is absolutely unhealthy design and it shouldnt be a thing to begin with.

RaikaNA · June 2024

aleksandr_ESO wrote: »

> The point of doing vet trials is to obtain perfected gear/jewlery and weapons

not true

> why is the chests in vet trials giving you non perfected gear

A perfect gear is an exceptional reward obtained from difficult bosses. It cannot drop in such quantities (in vLC, for example, 7 chests), otherwise all farm raids will end within two weeks after the release of the chapter

> The point of doing veteran trials is to obtain better and bigger rewards

And you get it, don't you?

> that means that chests should also drop better rewards

No, it doesn't mean that.

Master chest in a vet trial should mean a lot..

aleksandr_ESO wrote: »

> The point of doing vet trials is to obtain perfected gear/jewlery and weapons

not true

> why is the chests in vet trials giving you non perfected gear

A perfect gear is an exceptional reward obtained from difficult bosses. It cannot drop in such quantities (in vLC, for example, 7 chests), otherwise all farm raids will end within two weeks after the release of the chapter

> The point of doing veteran trials is to obtain better and bigger rewards

And you get it, don't you?

> that means that chests should also drop better rewards

No, it doesn't mean that.

It is not always easy to get a nice clean veteran trial run from using group finder.. Not everyone is in a pve guild.. Certainly not I as I find most of them to be quite toxic. No matter how many times you write in the description that you ask for people to know the mechanics of the trial.. some ignore the requirements, and try to get a free clear and carry. The hardest part of the trial can be the people whom you're grouped up. Often times you don't even get to clear it because people who claim to know the mechanics really don't...and they wipe the entire group as a result... perfect example is vLC the mirror mechanic... A lot of people still don't understand this.

It is only right that we get perfected gear from the chest so that our time doesn't feel wasted.