We have armory system now. Then, why few people are still doing stupid fake tank?

AvalonRanger · April 2

We have armory system now. Then, why few people are still doing stupid fake tank?

And we can build multiple character. We can use group finder for specific playing style.
There're no reason to do fake tank role cheater at the random grouping tool.

But, few people still keep doing nonsense. Just why?

yadibroz · April 2

AvalonRanger wrote: »

We have armory system now. Then, why few people are still doing stupid fake tank?

And we can build multiple character. We can use group finder for specific playing style.
There're no reason to do fake tank role cheater at the random grouping tool.

But, few people still keep doing nonsense. Just why?

What is the best tank set, I'm thinking to get Crimson oath?

SpacemanSpiff1 · April 2

why bother setting up a tank if theyre just going to sprint through everything?

AvalonRanger · April 3

yadibroz wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

We have armory system now. Then, why few people are still doing stupid fake tank?

And we can build multiple character. We can use group finder for specific playing style.
There're no reason to do fake tank role cheater at the random grouping tool.

But, few people still keep doing nonsense. Just why?

What is the best tank set, I'm thinking to get Crimson oath?

>Mazatan monster helmet and shoulder heavy
>Crimson Twilight Set 5piece for armor
>Leeching set 5piece for weapon

All gold quality

>Lady Mundus
>Food "orzorgas-tripe-trifle-pocket"
>Champion point Blue [Ironclad] [Resilience] [Unassailable] [BULWARK]
>ChampionPoint Red [Fortified] [On-guard] [Bastion] [Rejuvenation]

>Attribute point should concentrate health amount with bit stamina also need.
(M4, H53, S7)

>Skill: some class damage shield with resolving vigor(PVP skill) Must have self healing.

"1H and shield" style with ice staff back bar (personally I use lightning stuff, but ice stuff is good for the Bulwark)

Then, my tank has 50K health with 36K damage resistance.

And don't forget "taunt" ability.

But if you want to go to 12 player trial, then "some grouping buff" function set will be better.

AlterBlika · April 3

No need for a tank in normal dungeons

Soarora · April 3

People fake tank not just because they don’t have a tank, but because pug DPS is a lot worse than their DPS*. So they queue as a tank (fast queue) on their DPS (lots of damage) and the other players are just there to add a little extra help or are just there because of the random reward.

*Not always the case, fake tanking has become popularized to the point that bad DPS are also fake tanking which doesn’t make the run go much faster.

Not supporting it, I don’t like fake role defenders (I remember FH… twice… don’t fake heal in FH. Next time it happens I think I’ll just quit instead of healing for them…) but armory doesn’t help much. I only fake tank like… fg1 hm and even then I’m scared to do it even though I know how lol. Its a lot harder than real tanking it but it gets a fast queue for the pledge.

sharquez · April 3

Personally prefer Crimson Oath + Turning Tide With either Spaulder of Ruin and Trainee + 1monster or the Bloodlords Embrace with Nazaray

Soarora · April 3

yadibroz wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

We have armory system now. Then, why few people are still doing stupid fake tank?

And we can build multiple character. We can use group finder for specific playing style.
There're no reason to do fake tank role cheater at the random grouping tool.

But, few people still keep doing nonsense. Just why?

What is the best tank set, I'm thinking to get Crimson oath?

Crimson oath is good. Sometimes I consider using it instead of war machine (WM) and using baron zandrous instead of tremor, but I need me lots of transmutes. My most up to date setup is turning tide + war machine + tremorscale + dsa sword and board. Turning tide is top tier. On necro I use sax instead of turning tide.

AvalonRanger · April 3

Soarora wrote: »

People fake tank not just because they don’t have a tank, but because pug DPS is a lot worse than their DPS*. So they queue as a tank (fast queue) on their DPS (lots of damage) and the other players are just there to add a little extra help or are just there because of the random reward.

*Not always the case, fake tanking has become popularized to the point that bad DPS are also fake tanking which doesn’t make the run go much faster.

Not supporting it, I don’t like fake role defenders (I remember FH… twice… don’t fake heal in FH. Next time it happens I think I’ll just quit instead of healing for them…) but armory doesn’t help much. I only fake tank like… fg1 hm and even then I’m scared to do it even though I know how lol. Its a lot harder than real tanking it but it gets a fast queue for the pledge.

Agree, I hate fake tank. But unreliable fake DD also make the situation more dangerous in DLC Vet dungeon.
Sometimes real tank deal much more damage than fake DD.

valenwood_vegan · April 3

We going for a world record of fake tank posts in one week here?

Anyway, I don't see how the armory is relevant. Some people are selfish (ie: fake tanking to jump the queue). Others just may not be very skilled at or have a good understanding of the game. The armory can't make selfish people unselfish, and it can't make bad players good.

Such are the pitfalls of random grouping.

Necrotech_Master · April 3

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

We going for a world record of fake tank posts in one week here?

Anyway, I don't see how the armory is relevant. Some people are selfish (ie: fake tanking to jump the queue). Others just may not be very skilled at or have a good understanding of the game. The armory can't make selfish people unselfish, and it can't make bad players good.

Such are the pitfalls of random grouping.

pretty sure these fake tank/role posts show up at least once a week for the last few years lol

XSTRONG · April 3

Fake tanks in normal dungeons dont upset me at all.

El_Borracho · April 3

I haven't run a random normal in a while, but its probably because there are many instances where I have joined a random normal on a real tank and have been forced to switch to the DD alt because the burn was horrific. So its just easier to jump in on the DD with a taunt and avoid the delay. Its a random normal, after all.

If you want a real tank, or are a tank who wants to run with competent DDs, run random vets.

loosej · April 3

If all members of the group are somewhat experienced and stick close together, a fake tank who does decent dps can actually make the run go faster. But I really wish they just slotted (and used) the undaunted taunt skill in case there's one or two newbies in the group. CP 200 Legolas in the back running for his life while being chased by a couple of enemies makes for a slow and chaotic run. There have been times when I queued as dd and started taunting, and while I don't have much of a problem with that, it bugs me that I've waited 20 minutes in queue when I could have gotten in within seconds...

AvalonRanger · April 4

Some people say like this. "DD is default role, so technically there're no fake DD".
This type of "mind set" makes the fake tanking behavior. I think fake DD actually exist.

I've never been fake tank or fake healer, but doing group mission with fake DD feel like "exhausted",
or "meaningless support role work".

sharquez · April 5

I can bring the enemy armor to zero and buff group damage with all the buffs I want it won't make a skyrim RP lightattack spamming 5kdps DD kill things any faster especially because they are 40 feet away not getting the buffs anyway.

AvalonRanger · April 6

There're 2 type of fake tank, but very different.

1, I can accept fake tank who is actually "super canon god of DD". True experienced player.

2, I hate fake tank cheater who is just weak player and can't do self protection
because of their low damage. And do fake tank queue just only for skipping waiting time.
----> kick or abandon them. Most of player can notice those type of player at the first combat
moment of dungeon. Current "quick leaving punishment" keep punishing innocent player mostly.

HushAzrael · May 22

Real answer? Armory slots are per character and not exactly cheap. If they were account based, I think we would see a lot more utilization for special roles. As it is, it’s only people on their mains, whales, or super hard core gamers with a ton of slots over their whole account— several characters or more.

Oh, and “fake” dd do exist— they’re just bad dd. I had a couple in vet Bedlam recently. They left when they realized they weren’t going to get carried. Got a replacement dps but no replacement for the fake healer and we cleared no problem.

Nharimlur_Finor · May 29

AlterBlika wrote: »

No need for a tank in normal dungeons

Yes, so many people have made this point before.

Are you really good, are you? I'm just asking you...

Orbital78 · May 31

This is the way. Sadly most that fake tank can't solo the dungeon as it should be. I used to run a dps hybrid setup with tormentor but they removed that.

MidniteOwl1913 · June 17

Fake "tank" is a problem for normal dungeons because they bail at the first sign of difficulty. Scribners Hall, Oathsworn Pit, Scalecallers Peak, poof! Three people now have to finish the dungeon because getting a tank replacement takes so long.