Hireling rank 3

Filodendron · May 2014

I may be wrong but from what i noticed the hireling sends you mats ONLY when you log in or are logged in at the same time you acquired it cause i noticed it sends every 24 hours or so. Meaning if you don't log for 3 days you lose the chests for those days.

Now the rank 3 hireling says it sends you twice a day but how does that work? is it every 12 hours? and does this mean that i need to log in at least twice a day at intervals of 12 hours or more to benefit from it?
From your average player perspective this looks like a waste, since people generally play 3-4 hours in the evening.

So is there any point to have a rank 3 hireling? or it's badly conceived?

Malediktus · May 2014

You need to log in every 12 h or use a wayshrine to profit from lvl 3 hirelings. Otherwise it will only help you to get a mail per day instead of pushing it further away each day.

Zakua · May 2014

I got Hireling 3/3 this past weekend and was not aware the mails from them would not stack. I log on every day in the evenings but only get one hireling mail, what a bumb deal!

So I need to log in to the game in the morning before work to get my other hireling mail? lol...not impossible but man this just seems a bit on the cheese side to me eh?

What is this you mention about a wayshrine?

I do not see why they are unable to leave two mails in my inbox...bleh...

Mabh · May 2014

Yes the way ZOS has set up the hireling timers is a pita and if you have a 3/3 it doesn't seem like a bonus it should be since it cost a point to skill it up.
See this thread http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/791942/#Comment_791942

mcatchlovb16_ESO · May 2014

What a scam.

Demli · May 2014

Yea I've noticed that I only get 1 mail a day. Super lame, should either be fixed or the description needs some love so people aren't fooled by it.

Kuratla · May 2014

I've got 3/3 in Blacksmithing, Woodworking and Clothing hireling. They do come every 12 hours. You just need to manage your time. Make sure you're likely to log in at the same a.m. and p.m. time each day and no issue.... like 7 a.m. and 7 p.m.

Allyah · May 2014

You receive harder to get mats from 3/3. That in itself is worth the skill point.

kreekitb16_ESO · May 2014

You do not receive harder to get mats from 3/3 ... maybe you get more of them but even at 2/3 Points you get yellow upgrade mats, as for the rest of the Container? Well... they could cancel everything else inside it, the Joy of getting 4 Racial Stones (2Kitty and 2 Breton ones) from one Container with 5 ore... YAY!

Shiaxi · May 2014

Kuratla wrote: »

I've got 3/3 in Blacksmithing, Woodworking and Clothing hireling. They do come every 12 hours. You just need to manage your time. Make sure you're likely to log in at the same a.m. and p.m. time each day and no issue.... like 7 a.m. and 7 p.m.

right... so to benefit from a skill you invested points in you need to manage your time... you do realize some of us don't have the luxury of logging in once every 12 hours don't you?

the way it's designed now is just horrible. It penalizes the casual player or the player who actually has limited time to play.

Lupinemw · May 2014

Sorry to say anyone trying to run there crafting empire on these alone is sadly mistaken. They are nothing more than a SP sink and some added flavour.

I get far better mats from refining ore than I do in the boxes. Tbh when I repec even though I enjoy the letters I'll drop them as there nothing special and I never thought they would be.

Shiaxi · May 2014

Lupinemw wrote: »

Sorry to say anyone trying to run there crafting empire on these alone is sadly mistaken. They are nothing more than a SP sink and some added flavour.

I get far better mats from refining ore than I do in the boxes. Tbh when I repec even though I enjoy the letters I'll drop them as there nothing special and I never thought they would be.

they are to date still the only way I've received a legendary quality tannin

Shazarak · May 2014

I have the same problem as OP..
I haven't played for a weekend so I expect to receive more emails with items from my retainers...Stop playing at friday...coming back at monday and I got nothing but 1 mail for each Craft..
There's something wrong with Hireling skill.. I think it's sending only if you take the object from the previous tranche...
The problem in this game isn't the bugs...the real big problem is that while you play you can never know if you are doing it wrong or if it's a bug.

That's why this game sucks ATM

Good luck with the "fix(bug)-list"

avjaeger · May 2014

Lupinemw wrote: »

Sorry to say anyone trying to run there crafting empire on these alone is sadly mistaken. They are nothing more than a SP sink and some added flavour.

I get far better mats from refining ore than I do in the boxes. Tbh when I repec even though I enjoy the letters I'll drop them as there nothing special and I never thought they would be.

I agree that you shouldn't try to run a crafting empire by relying on the hirelings; you can acquire the rares needed for upgrades through decons or refining.

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way for Provisioning. You have to have at least two points into hireling to get Oats or Tomatoes, which are needed for purple recipes. They are not in open world loot, and the rate you get those two items make a yellow upgrade look like a green.

Anyway, neither my opinion as stated above, nor yours the address the OPs question: If the hireling does not send his mail twice a day, no matter when you log on, is it worth the points spent?

The whole point was that "the average player" played 3-4 hours a night and when he read the tooltip that stated twice a day, he wasn't expecting to have to log on at twelve hour intervals to make sure he got his mail.

OP, unless you are a Provisioner, I would say that you shouldn't spend 2-3 points in hireling unless you have points to spare. In the crafting skill lines, the refining and decon skills are a higher priority.

Kuratla · May 2014

Shiaxi wrote: »

Kuratla wrote: »

I've got 3/3 in Blacksmithing, Woodworking and Clothing hireling. They do come every 12 hours. You just need to manage your time. Make sure you're likely to log in at the same a.m. and p.m. time each day and no issue.... like 7 a.m. and 7 p.m.

right... so to benefit from a skill you invested points in you need to manage your time... you do realize some of us don't have the luxury of logging in once every 12 hours don't you?

the way it's designed now is just horrible. It penalizes the casual player or the player who actually has limited time to play.

Sorry you can't log in twice a day. I can. Good for me. You can't, bad for you.

Now that everyone who reads this knows that 3/3 hirelings are every 12 hours, then maybe they should not waste the skill point on 3/3 and stick with 2/3 if they think they won't be able to log in twice a day for the chests.

Otherwise, it's just one skillpoint out of... what.... 300? Don't cry about it too much.

huntgod_ESO · May 2014

No one reading the description of the hireling 3/3 perk would think they had to log in twice a day. It needs to be reworded or changed.

Filodendron · May 2014

Now that everyone who reads this knows that 3/3 hirelings are every 12 hours

Next time you wanna act smug and be a *** about it make sure your IQ is higher than room temperature.
The problem for hireling is at all levels, the chest is sent via MAIL, i should be able to receive mail while being offline aswell, fix that and rank 3 becomes viable for everyone.

I don't know if this is a cheap habituation trick they're trying to pull or it's just bad design.

Allyah · May 2014

Filodendron wrote: »

Now that everyone who reads this knows that 3/3 hirelings are every 12 hours

Next time you wanna act smug and be a *** about it make sure your IQ is higher than room temperature.
The problem for hireling is at all levels, the chest is sent via MAIL, i should be able to receive mail while being offline aswell, fix that and rank 3 becomes viable for everyone.

I don't know if this is a cheap habituation trick they're trying to pull or it's just bad design.

Tough words while behind the safety of a computer screen. ^^
You're argument leaves something to be desired and your final comments seem to leave out possible options about why they did this.

This is not a problem. This is not bad design. It rewards people for logging on constantly and prevents people from accumulating tons of rare resources while they aren't even playing. You may not like it but that doesn't mean it is a cheap trick or bad design.

And Kuratla was right. It's one point out of very many and you can just not spend the point if you aren't logging on that often.

Shiaxi · May 2014

Filodendron wrote: »

Now that everyone who reads this knows that 3/3 hirelings are every 12 hours

Next time you wanna act smug and be a *** about it make sure your IQ is higher than room temperature.
The problem for hireling is at all levels, the chest is sent via MAIL, i should be able to receive mail while being offline aswell, fix that and rank 3 becomes viable for everyone.

I don't know if this is a cheap habituation trick they're trying to pull or it's just bad design.

Let's keep it civil shall we?

while I agree with your basic point I don't agree with the way you bring it.

Allyah wrote: »

This is not a problem. This is not bad design. It rewards people for logging on constantly and prevents people from accumulating tons of rare resources while they aren't even playing. You may not like it but that doesn't mean it is a cheap trick or bad design.

And Kuratla was right. It's one point out of very many and you can just not spend the point if you aren't logging on that often.

your argument is flawed aswel; I log on regularly; once a day for several hours at one; I just don't have the luxury to log on twice and saying "it's just one point' is besides the.. well.. point...

I WANT 2 chests a day from my hirelings, I could really use a higher chance at getting legendary level tannins / tempers but the way it currently works I can't partake of this luxury. In a way this penalizes me over players who do have this luxury (and yes I know some of you find this petty, but I have the right to care about stuff I want to care about regardless of what you guys think of it).

huntgod_ESO · May 2014

It doesn't matter if everyone here now knows that you have to log in twice a day to take advantage of this, or that you have to log in once a day to get bags everyday. The tool tip doesn't read that way and the majority of players do not come to these forums.

They need to change the tool tip to reflect the actuality or change the way they deliver it.

Either way, in most other games I play they would refund it to players and allow you to repurchase it if desired.

Allyah · May 2014

Shiaxi wrote: »

Filodendron wrote: »

Now that everyone who reads this knows that 3/3 hirelings are every 12 hours

Next time you wanna act smug and be a *** about it make sure your IQ is higher than room temperature.
The problem for hireling is at all levels, the chest is sent via MAIL, i should be able to receive mail while being offline aswell, fix that and rank 3 becomes viable for everyone.

I don't know if this is a cheap habituation trick they're trying to pull or it's just bad design.

Let's keep it civil shall we?

while I agree with your basic point I don't agree with the way you bring it.

Allyah wrote: »

This is not a problem. This is not bad design. It rewards people for logging on constantly and prevents people from accumulating tons of rare resources while they aren't even playing. You may not like it but that doesn't mean it is a cheap trick or bad design.

And Kuratla was right. It's one point out of very many and you can just not spend the point if you aren't logging on that often.

your argument is flawed aswel; I log on regularly; once a day for several hours at one; I just don't have the luxury to log on twice and saying "it's just one point' is besides the.. well.. point...

I WANT 2 chests a day from my hirelings, I could really use a higher chance at getting legendary level tannins / tempers but the way it currently works I can't partake of this luxury. In a way this penalizes me over players who do have this luxury (and yes I know some of you find this petty, but I have the right to care about stuff I want to care about regardless of what you guys think of it).

I'm still waiting for you to point out my flawed argument.

Shiaxi · May 2014

Allyah wrote: »

Shiaxi wrote: »

Filodendron wrote: »

Now that everyone who reads this knows that 3/3 hirelings are every 12 hours

Next time you wanna act smug and be a *** about it make sure your IQ is higher than room temperature.
The problem for hireling is at all levels, the chest is sent via MAIL, i should be able to receive mail while being offline aswell, fix that and rank 3 becomes viable for everyone.

I don't know if this is a cheap habituation trick they're trying to pull or it's just bad design.

Let's keep it civil shall we?

while I agree with your basic point I don't agree with the way you bring it.

Allyah wrote: »

This is not a problem. This is not bad design. It rewards people for logging on constantly and prevents people from accumulating tons of rare resources while they aren't even playing. You may not like it but that doesn't mean it is a cheap trick or bad design.

And Kuratla was right. It's one point out of very many and you can just not spend the point if you aren't logging on that often.

your argument is flawed aswel; I log on regularly; once a day for several hours at one; I just don't have the luxury to log on twice and saying "it's just one point' is besides the.. well.. point...

I WANT 2 chests a day from my hirelings, I could really use a higher chance at getting legendary level tannins / tempers but the way it currently works I can't partake of this luxury. In a way this penalizes me over players who do have this luxury (and yes I know some of you find this petty, but I have the right to care about stuff I want to care about regardless of what you guys think of it).

I'm still waiting for you to point out my flawed argument.

you said it's one point out of very many implying that I have a problem with losing the skillpoint; I don't I have more then enough skillpoints; I just want the 2 chests.

Allyah · May 2014

Shiaxi wrote: »

Allyah wrote: »

Shiaxi wrote: »

Filodendron wrote: »

Now that everyone who reads this knows that 3/3 hirelings are every 12 hours

Next time you wanna act smug and be a *** about it make sure your IQ is higher than room temperature.
The problem for hireling is at all levels, the chest is sent via MAIL, i should be able to receive mail while being offline aswell, fix that and rank 3 becomes viable for everyone.

I don't know if this is a cheap habituation trick they're trying to pull or it's just bad design.

Let's keep it civil shall we?

while I agree with your basic point I don't agree with the way you bring it.

Allyah wrote: »

This is not a problem. This is not bad design. It rewards people for logging on constantly and prevents people from accumulating tons of rare resources while they aren't even playing. You may not like it but that doesn't mean it is a cheap trick or bad design.

And Kuratla was right. It's one point out of very many and you can just not spend the point if you aren't logging on that often.

your argument is flawed aswel; I log on regularly; once a day for several hours at one; I just don't have the luxury to log on twice and saying "it's just one point' is besides the.. well.. point...

I WANT 2 chests a day from my hirelings, I could really use a higher chance at getting legendary level tannins / tempers but the way it currently works I can't partake of this luxury. In a way this penalizes me over players who do have this luxury (and yes I know some of you find this petty, but I have the right to care about stuff I want to care about regardless of what you guys think of it).

I'm still waiting for you to point out my flawed argument.

you said it's one point out of very many implying that I have a problem with losing the skillpoint; I don't I have more then enough skillpoints; I just want the 2 chests.

Except that was only an addition to my argument. And only a repetition of someone else's argument, at that. My argument was:

Allyah wrote: »

This is not a problem. This is not bad design. It rewards people for logging on constantly and prevents people from accumulating tons of rare resources while they aren't even playing. You may not like it but that doesn't mean it is a cheap trick or bad design.

Also, I believe I quoted Filodendron. So I couldn't have been implying anything about you. That assumes I had some knowledge of your argument which had not yet been stated at that time.