CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Don't make us do Dungeons and PvE stuff for tickets during every other event of the year when all I want to do is PvP.

See how unrealistic that request is? There's literally 2 PvP events a year - either skip the event or suck it up and PvP.

There is a major difference.

PVP players can easily do PVE content (especially in the context of an event where there are no hard mechancis to deal with)

HOWEVER

PVE players can not so easily do PVP content events due to the very specific and meta gearing necessary, along with the associated playstyles/rotations.

I have been PVPing for 20+ years as my primary activity in MMORPGs, never had an issue with running a dungeon. But I see many PVE players have a myriad of issues doing PVP.

They are not the same thing.

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Don't make us do Dungeons and PvE stuff for tickets during every other event of the year when all I want to do is PvP.

See how unrealistic that request is? There's literally 2 PvP events a year - either skip the event or suck it up and PvP.

There is a major difference.

PVP players can easily do PVE content (especially in the context of an event where there are no hard mechancis to deal with)

HOWEVER

PVE players can not so easily do PVP content events due to the very specific and meta gearing necessary, along with the associated playstyles/rotations.

I have been PVPing for 20+ years as my primary activity in MMORPGs, never had an issue with running a dungeon. But I see many PVE players have a myriad of issues doing PVP.

They are not the same thing.

But no one is forcing them to do the events. There're far more PvE events - asking to cancel 1 of the 2 PvP events for the year just because they don't like PvP is entitlement. Skip the event and make up the tickets later.

I spent less than an hour a couple of nights ago getting enough Imperial City PVE quests done to allow two of my accounts to just drop into the base and hand in my quests each day. During that time I died once and that was entirely my fault!

Cyrodiil I will likely do during the event BUT most days that will just involve going to my Alliance's nearest town and doing again PVE quests to earn my tickets.

I will make no special PVP build and I will mostly avoid any chance of encountering enemy players, however.....

I do have a PVP specialist character(but will use any character for the quests) and may well spend a few nights enjoying some Cyrodiil Mayhem at some point!!

My point being it is so easy to get tickets during Mayhem as a PVE-er, I really don't understand all the angst, IC can be a pain but we know the event is coming a bit of forward planning can pretty much negate that pain!

Just pretend they canceled it and don't participate. Either way you won't get tickets.

Aurielle wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Don't make us do Dungeons and PvE stuff for tickets during every other event of the year when all I want to do is PvP.

See how unrealistic that request is? There's literally 2 PvP events a year - either skip the event or suck it up and PvP.

PVE players can not so easily do PVP content events due to the very specific and meta gearing necessary, along with the associated playstyles/rotations.

I have been PVPing for 20+ years as my primary activity in MMORPGs, never had an issue with running a dungeon. But I see many PVE players have a myriad of issues doing PVP.

They are not the same thing.

Mmm, no. You do not need to wear meta gear or run any sort of rotation in Cyrodiil UNLESS you’re part of some sweaty ball group. You can literally go into Cyrodiil wearing anything you like, join your alliance’s main zerg, make hundreds upon thousands of AP with ease, and earn event tickets with ease.

Most PVEers have crafters, right? Or know people who craft? Right, so if PVEers want to go in at least semi prepared rather than just wearing their PVE gear, here is a super simple crafted build any PVEer can acquire that will help them to survive in a zerg:

5 pc Wretched Vitality
5 pc Fortified Brass
Monster set of your choice

5 heavy, one light, one medium for the Undaunted passives (which you should already have maxed out, being PVEers and all). 4-5 impen pieces, the rest reinforced or well fitted. Purple health glyphs on everything. Sharpened weapons, powered or defending back bar. EASY, will take less than five minutes to craft. And by no means is this difficult/tedious to farm “meta” gear.

And PVEers tend to have gold stockpiles, right? For even more survivability, simply swap out Fortified Brass for Pariah (which can be purchased cheaply through most guild traders). Once you accrue enough AP, you can, if you wish, then purchase the Nibenay Bay Battlereeve’s monster set from your alliance base vendors for even MORE survivability. This set adds 424 crit resistance, reduces damage you take from players by 5%, and gives you a beefy shield whenever you’re moved by a pull or anything like that (so you can survive Dark Convergence pulls).

You’ll still die, like we all do, but you won’t be ganker or bomber bait. And you might even (gasp!) have fun, and stick around after the mayhem is done.

You just proved my point. Thank you.
This is knowledge you possess, this is not common knowledge for the majority of the PVE player base.

freespirit wrote: »

I spent less than an hour a couple of nights ago getting enough Imperial City PVE quests done to allow two of my accounts to just drop into the base and hand in my quests each day. During that time I died once and that was entirely my fault!

Cyrodiil I will likely do during the event BUT most days that will just involve going to my Alliance's nearest town and doing again PVE quests to earn my tickets.

I will make no special PVP build and I will mostly avoid any chance of encountering enemy players, however.....

I do have a PVP specialist character(but will use any character for the quests) and may well spend a few nights enjoying some Cyrodiil Mayhem at some point!!

My point being it is so easy to get tickets during Mayhem as a PVE-er, I really don't understand all the angst, IC can be a pain but we know the event is coming a bit of forward planning can pretty much negate that pain!

Yeah, it is best to do those quests before the event. During the event it is much harder as every quest location is camped by gankers or ball groups.

Personally, I think that the best way to do the IC for non PvP-ers is to do Arean district daily & use a ranged weapon, so that you don't even have to jump down to IC (it is the "Fungal Grotto I" equvalent for PvE Undaunted event). If you have more characters, then you can also do this quest on your alts and just hand over 1 quest each day.

But, as always you have to take into account that even that place is not 100% save and there will be toxic players trying to Dark Convergence / frozen gate you down. The unwritten ethic rule is that if some one just stays on that platform and is attacking only mobs and not players, then chances are that you should not attack them too, but not every player respects that "unwritten" rules.

The biggest issue though is... why ? Why should PvE players (or even PvP players who do not enjoy IC & prefer Cyro) even bother & create unnecessary traffic if they don't want to PvP ? It is just silly & bad desgin. We should be simply able to do 2 quests in Cyro, 2 quests in IC or 1 Quest in Cyro & quest in IC for a event ticket. Having more options in always better.

Aurielle wrote: »

Time for the forum’s yearly reminder: no one is “forced” to do anything in this game. It is your choice to participate in any event, and yours alone. If you decide to participate in a PVP event and get mad because someone else’s pixels drained your pixels’ health bar, that is on you — not on the devs, not on PVPers, not on anyone other than yourself.

Furthermore, going into Cyrodiil without allies is also a choice — one that you are not forced to make. If dying or getting ganked is such a concern, you are always free to join one of the many, many groups and guilds that will be participating. If you die to a gank in the middle of a group, the ganker will be stomped, and you’ll get ressed. Getting mad because you die during a PVP event because you went into it alone and unprepared would be like getting mad because you died going solo into a vet DLC trial while wearing white gear.

Insisting that an event should not exist because it doesn’t cater directly to your play style is pretty much the definition of unfair entitlement.

you are forced if you want event tickets.

No one is forcing anyone to participate. So this a non issue.

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Don't make us do Dungeons and PvE stuff for tickets during every other event of the year when all I want to do is PvP.

See how unrealistic that request is? There's literally 2 PvP events a year - either skip the event or suck it up and PvP.

There is a major difference.

PVP players can easily do PVE content (especially in the context of an event where there are no hard mechancis to deal with)

HOWEVER

PVE players can not so easily do PVP content events due to the very specific and meta gearing necessary, along with the associated playstyles/rotations.

I have been PVPing for 20+ years as my primary activity in MMORPGs, never had an issue with running a dungeon. But I see many PVE players have a myriad of issues doing PVP.

They are not the same thing.

I did 2 MYM events on a PvE stamblade before I made a PvP toon. I died a lot but it was fun. I was in the middle of all the fighting for keeps, though.

For Cyrodiil you can just get the scouting daily if you want, ride to a keep, click the button, ride back. Done.

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Don't make us do Dungeons and PvE stuff for tickets during every other event of the year when all I want to do is PvP.

See how unrealistic that request is? There's literally 2 PvP events a year - either skip the event or suck it up and PvP.

There is a major difference.

PVP players can easily do PVE content (especially in the context of an event where there are no hard mechancis to deal with)

HOWEVER

PVE players can not so easily do PVP content events due to the very specific and meta gearing necessary, along with the associated playstyles/rotations.

I have been PVPing for 20+ years as my primary activity in MMORPGs, never had an issue with running a dungeon. But I see many PVE players have a myriad of issues doing PVP.

They are not the same thing.

I don't PvP but have no problems with going into Cyrodiil during MYM and over the years have rarely been the victim of PvP. Unlike a lot of other games with PvP it is fairly easy to avoid PvP in Cyrodiil. If by chance I am killed I take no damage and the worst thing I have to do is get back to where I was or return later when things are more favorable to PvE.

The first thing I do is look for an instance with a map favorable to my alliance. I've noticed this tends to be time of day dependent so might not work for people who don't have the time flexibility I do. In any event I will run the PvE dailies from areas my alliance controls. On occasion a ganker will show up and kill a PvE type. All it takes to get rid of them is an announcement in general chat and some PvP players will usually show up to handle the problem. It has also been my experience that the gankers typically aren't very good and that I can send them packing with my glass cannon PvE build. If I don't kill their character outright I have good burst damage that puts enough of dent in their health that they leave the area.

For times when the maps are not favorable I will run a scouting mission for tickets. By sticking to open areas away from fortifications I can avoid PvP. If I can't avoid other alliance players I've found a stealth potion will usually get me past the area of concern. If water is nearby I've found I am usually left alone if I start fishing and the players on the other side will usually move on.

I've even quested with other side players running quests and not been attacked. I think there is a general feeling that if players are running PvE content they aren't worth engaging. Just be sure any battle pets are put away when around opposing players to avoid any accidental attacks.

Whitestrake is like the only time it's worth pvping for me, otherwise it's dead as hell and not worth the time. I wish it happened more so I could go and actually have some fun with it instead of just wandering around empty zones or having to pug bgs.

xclassgaming wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Time for the forum’s yearly reminder: no one is “forced” to do anything in this game. It is your choice to participate in any event, and yours alone. If you decide to participate in a PVP event and get mad because someone else’s pixels drained your pixels’ health bar, that is on you — not on the devs, not on PVPers, not on anyone other than yourself.

Furthermore, going into Cyrodiil without allies is also a choice — one that you are not forced to make. If dying or getting ganked is such a concern, you are always free to join one of the many, many groups and guilds that will be participating. If you die to a gank in the middle of a group, the ganker will be stomped, and you’ll get ressed. Getting mad because you die during a PVP event because you went into it alone and unprepared would be like getting mad because you died going solo into a vet DLC trial while wearing white gear.

Insisting that an event should not exist because it doesn’t cater directly to your play style is pretty much the definition of unfair entitlement.

you are forced if you want event tickets.

Incorrect. You have the option to purchase event tickets with real money.

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Nobody knows PvE boss mechanics till someone tells them or they look it up either.

Right? Imagine how PVEers would respond if PVPers complained in the forums because they didn’t just implicitly know dungeon mechanics* during the Undaunted event.

* This is an unrealistic example, of course, as PVPers tend to grind Undaunted out to 10 on all their PVP characters for the passives, but I digress…

Aurielle wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Pixiepumpkin wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Nah, they really shouldn't cancel MYM because of those reasons. They should cancel MYM because noone wants to PvP.

I know what I'll be doing during that event: Grab my tickets as fast as possible, be annoyed by all the delays and time wasted due to gankers/PvPers, and then log off for the rest of the day while being annoyed.

PS: Don't make us go to multiple PvP zones to get all the event tickets in PvP events, as that's even more annoying on top of PvP itself being annoying/stupid.

Don't make us do Dungeons and PvE stuff for tickets during every other event of the year when all I want to do is PvP.

See how unrealistic that request is? There's literally 2 PvP events a year - either skip the event or suck it up and PvP.

PVE players can not so easily do PVP content events due to the very specific and meta gearing necessary, along with the associated playstyles/rotations.

I have been PVPing for 20+ years as my primary activity in MMORPGs, never had an issue with running a dungeon. But I see many PVE players have a myriad of issues doing PVP.

They are not the same thing.

Mmm, no. You do not need to wear meta gear or run any sort of rotation in Cyrodiil UNLESS you’re part of some sweaty ball group. You can literally go into Cyrodiil wearing anything you like, join your alliance’s main zerg, make hundreds upon thousands of AP with ease, and earn event tickets with ease.

Most PVEers have crafters, right? Or know people who craft? Right, so if PVEers want to go in at least semi prepared rather than just wearing their PVE gear, here is a super simple crafted build any PVEer can acquire that will help them to survive in a zerg:

5 pc Wretched Vitality
5 pc Fortified Brass
Monster set of your choice

5 heavy, one light, one medium for the Undaunted passives (which you should already have maxed out, being PVEers and all). 4-5 impen pieces, the rest reinforced or well fitted. Purple health glyphs on everything. Sharpened weapons, powered or defending back bar. EASY, will take less than five minutes to craft. And by no means is this difficult/tedious to farm “meta” gear.

And PVEers tend to have gold stockpiles, right? For even more survivability, simply swap out Fortified Brass for Pariah (which can be purchased cheaply through most guild traders). Once you accrue enough AP, you can, if you wish, then purchase the Nibenay Bay Battlereeve’s monster set from your alliance base vendors for even MORE survivability. This set adds 424 crit resistance, reduces damage you take from players by 5%, and gives you a beefy shield whenever you’re moved by a pull or anything like that (so you can survive Dark Convergence pulls).

You’ll still die, like we all do, but you won’t be ganker or bomber bait. And you might even (gasp!) have fun, and stick around after the mayhem is done.

You just proved my point. Thank you.
This is knowledge you possess, this is not common knowledge for the majority of the PVE player base.

I’m simply trying to help… Like I said, you can go into Cyrodiil wearing anything you like, follow a Zerg around, join a group, whatever, and still get your tickets. Gearing up is NOT necessary. But IF (and that’s key here, IF) some poor, hapless, knowledgeless PVEer wants to be a little tankier, my advice will help them survive those oh-so-scary ganks. Meta DPS gear isn’t “common knowledge” to people who don’t regularly participate in dungeons and trials either, so I don’t really even understand what point you’re trying to make. Anyone who lacks knowledge about a particular game mode will significantly improve their experience in said game mode by reading up on it a little. Everyone has to do it for every other aspect of this game, so I don’t really know why it’s an issue when it comes to PVP?

^This, yes I agree. And also, many of the same principals which apply to PVE gearing, setups, and passives, also apply to PVP, just used differently. Reading up on it, I did not find PVP harder to understand compared to my PVE experience.

Also, many suggestions and guides from PVP players to get through this event unscathed are available when you search for it. Not every PVP player wants to eat PVE players, some would actually like to help you enjoy what they enjoy, or at least guide you through their zone.

I learned what I know from a PVP player who escorted me through Cyro my first time in the event, and taught me the pre-load method. I asked questions and received knowledge instead of being upset about dying or yelling at others, or taking the "its too hard for me" attitude. I did not let my own self-imposed restriction hold me back.

Tip for other PVE players: When you approach PVP players with a mind towards finding solutions and actually speaking to them rather accusing them of being bad just for doing what they are supposed to do in THEIR zone, then they are open to helping you learn. The same goes in the opposite direction- PVE will help PVP when reasonable discussion.

Ganking is a part of how this part of the game of pvp works- pvp players do get ganked too. (And it can be funny on a pve build to turn around and kill a ganker if you knock them out of stealth and use your own burst combos)

I am not saying it's right that some camp quest locations but that's really not all PVP players and there are many ways to avoid it.

I'm a PVEeer and I don't think MYM should be cancelled. I do think there should be a way for tickets to be obtained outside PvP zones in this event and for some PvP element to be added to PvE events, like bonus AP or shorter campaigns with tweaked rules. This way, all events would in some manner cater to both groups of players.