Another option would be to increase the boss difficulty based on the number of players within a 50 meter radius at spawn.

However, the solution should have been to continue to ban accounts used for botting.

I would love it if the increase the spawntimer, because shard farming is annoying from time to time.

This is really rediculous, finished 4 dungeons, 3 world bosses, in different locations, didnt get any loot worth calling loot. Not a single blue or better.
What do they expect me to do? Log out let timer run out and go again?
If this stays in game im not gonna stick with it, let my sub run out and thats it. Part of the fun for me in dungeon diving is loot, and they took it away.
I didnt bot, i didnt goldspam, why do i get punished?
And i prefer killing bosses for a special item then kill tons of trash mobs for a regular item that happens to have a spiffy color. Prefer equiping "Badass sword of doom" over "insert material sword of flame".
Yes, its still fun to kill bosses, getting no reward for doing so is just ... empty, like the loot.

Forgot which dungeon it was, loads of dwemer constructs and boss was a centurion. I camped that boss for a few hours because he refused to drop his blue. When he finally did it was some stamina based, totally useless for my toon necklace, but it was rewarding that i made him drop it. Came out of that dungeon with near 200 dwemer gears, just to show how long it took for that blue to drop. And i stayed because i knew it would be there eventually.
With this new loot rule it wouldnt have taken me hours, it wouldve taken me days, see where im going with this?
Im patient, but not THAT patient.
I dont camp a boss to sell gold, im doing it because i want the shinys. Theres bosses allover the place, kill one fine you get loot, ooo heres another, lets kill it! Congratulations, you killed it, heres a few gold coins ... really?
No shinys no fun, why bother? Achievements? could care less, lets just uninstall already and find better game. One that doesnt punish regular players because they let hackers overrun it.

This loot timer is really annoying founda boss that drops a ring ive been looking for for ages, fits my character perfectly, but cant kill it, have to wait 10 minutes for another shot of second ring.
Im not a bot dammit ... well at least i can use forum while waiting >.<

Emperor wrote: »

None of the above.

The only real way to fix this is make every dungeon boss like the 4-man dungeons; instanced to the player/group. If the boss is not instanced you run into problems with any choice made.

Nerf loot with timer, fight a boss, get no loot:
If people want to camp at a boss for loot they should be able to. They should not be punished because of botters. The instanced bosses will help with the bot problem because the bots won't be able to have 10 bots spam kill the boss in 2 seconds. Also increase the difficulty of the boss so a single bot can't just hold down the attack button without healing, etc to kill it.

Increase spawn time:
This actually wouldn't be a bad idea IF the instanced boss idea was implemented into the game, but if the bosses are still not instanced this would be awful. It is already bad enough waiting for a boss to spawn just to kill it to complete a dungeon/quest. It completely ruins immersion which is another reason dungeon bosses should be instanced...

Leave it as it was:
Obviously that wasn't working. If they leave it as it was they need to make the bosses instanced for the same reason I mentioned before and they need to increase their bot banning abilities.

I have to agree with you here. Make the dungeons instance for 1-4 players, I hate the public dungeon system anyway. While we are at it .. maybe give some *** XP doing dungeons.

So far all I have seen from the game is their player base being punished for the actions of the exploiting parties that will always be in every mmo. Almost every single person from my guild in previous games has or is unsubbed. That makes me sad for a couple of reasons.

1: I love my guildies.

2: I really want this game to succeed but just on a small scale, looking around me, I see people dropping like flies.

3: I don't want to end up in Wildstar! Game looks good but I love the Elder Scrolls Universe.

Neither of the three. Make loot achievement linked. Each toon gets loot from each boss first time only, once in a lifetime, but it is a decent loot.

I'd agree with you Artemiisia, if it wasn't for the single fact that getting to the boss, killing him, getting nothing and then realizing that you have to wait 10 mins, if you want a chance to get his 'special' item, is rather annoying.

On the contrary, I'd prefer for my Public Dungeon-boss to have a guaranteed unique blue drop on my first kill. Autobound to character to prevent me from selling it. (The public dungeons are hard enough IMO, that if you get to the boss, you deserve something for it.)

As for the solo dungeons, I'd make the guaranteed drop a green with maybe a chance of having it be an unbound blue. (The first time). It would add a bit to the economy, for those who care about that and since you outlevel the gear fast enough anyway, 'not' getting the blue wont make much of a difference for anyone in the long run.

And after that first kill on any dungeon boss, make the timer count 10 mins (or whatever they decide for the final rate to be) before you have a chance of loot again, though with only a RNG droprate for a green or some such after the first kill.

It wouldn't be hard to implement either. If they can link phased content to a specific char and set an individual counter for boss-loot, they can add this as well. It's just one more char-specific counter-table.