please don't fake role.

edited to add:
if you want minimal damage loss, be a damage dealer?

tanks and healers do not focus on dealing damage at all.
it isn't enough to just taunt a boss or heal your group every minute.

providing buffs like courage, resolve, force, and extra recovery is something tanks and healers do too.

and if you queue for a random dungeon you can get literally any of them.
plus any kind of player unless you use the group finder.

it may take a few minutes but we have the group finder now, why not just create a group for a random and not attempt to fake a support role?

Luckylancer wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

please don't fake role.

edited to add:
if you want minimal damage loss, be a damage dealer?

I dont want to wait que time. I want to clear dungeon as 3 or 4 DDs. I find group finder bit too slow. Clearing 5-6 random dungeon on different alts takes time so I want to do it fast while not making people die and watch me kill bosses while they are dead.

Taunting, keeping the boss at one place and not dying are bare minimum for tanking. Keeping people alive is bare minimum for healing. Is there a less damage loosy way of doing this on a DD?

you can make a tank or heal build.
if you only want to provide the bare minimum, please don't.

not dying as a tank kinda requires using sets that tanks use so you have for example more health recovery, resistance, and maximum health.
using champion point abilities like
Duelist's Rebuff and Enduring Resolve is pretty useful too

you're in a dungeon with a group and if you queue for a random dungeon you don't know how experienced or prepared other people are.

please make a tank or heal build if you want less queue time or wait in line.

Fake healing is pretty easy, just slot echoing vigor and some burst heal you can use to heal people. Fake tanking, bring the morph of inner fire that lets you do more damage. If you wanna be fancy bring a chain as well. Burst heal you can use through block probably a good idea too, though I’m not sure how bad normal dungeons are to fake tank as the only dungeon I remember fake tanking at lvl 50 is nFG1/vFG1.

colossalvoids wrote: »

Depends solely on your personal abilities, for one taunt/pull is enough and others need extra mitigation and shields. I used to slot inner fire and silver leash changing nothing else, optimised dds usually have more than enough health and self healing to resist "one shots" in normals when blocked. On a class that lack self healing whilst doing damage a hot ability wound be a good consideration, or leech CP node at the very least. Also that one node that gives you a ton of HR depending on your ultimate amount, it's probably outheals everything in normal content still.

Edit: sugar skulls food is also great for that one.

^Basically this.

Slot a taunt and whatever you personally think is necessary to stay alive and you're good to go.

If we talk about rnd, taunt+vigor should do the trick in most cases.

The OP has a point, most of the normal dungeons can be cleared with just DD with the exception of a few. Probably why in those dungeons you see the "tank" leave right away.

colossalvoids wrote: »

optimised dds usually have more than enough health and self healing to resist "one shots" in normals when blocked.

I find blocking to be rudimentary on stamina classes since you can just dodge the attack in almost all cases. Especially with groups, you can lose a lot of hp and die afterwards and therefore wipe the group. Not talking about tanking, there blocking is all the way

For NORMAL dungeons, I think that capable fake tanks actually improve everyone's experience and queue times, but you have some minimum expectations in order to have a successful run that isn't a headache for your teammates.

For normal, the only expectation is that you taunt and stay alive. Grouping up the enemies is nice but not necessary. If too many enemies or big enemies attack your DPS and healers, you'll get complaints AND slow the run down by slowing down DPS and distracting healers.

If you also get a fake healer, you'll tear through easy dungeons but might actually fail harder ones, especially DLC dungeons. Build to keep yourself alive while damaging, like in vMA or vet Vateshran. Yes, your DPS will be lower than otherwise, but maybe not if you group the enemies into your AoE.

If you have a taunt, Silver Leash, and an AoE slow (ie caltrops) or immobilize, you should be good. Add heals as necessary—it'll cut your DPS depending on class and build, but that's fine for a tank. My squishy DPS builds can solo most normal DLC dungeon bosses, so you just need ways to not die and not let the mobs run all over the place.

I wouldn't recommend werewolf with Tormenter because sometimes you'll want to taunt from ranged and not have to jump all over the area to taunt enemies. That said, it would probably work for the easier dungeons.

Here is a little build that i have been using recently and i hope it will do you good :
(forgive all my typos, english is not my 1st language)

you will use 2 heavy, 2 medium and 3 light armor.

5 crimson oath rive set (heavy)
3 bloodthirsty jewelry + infused healthy chest and legs. use any rejen glyph that makes it easy on you

2x 1 pc monster that gives armor (pirate skeleton and lord warden) in medium weight. infused healthy head and sturdy mag or stam shoulders

5 crafted heartland conqueror : 3 divine light armor with mag or stam + weapons.
get an infused back bar frost staf with a crusher enchant on it, that's your tank bar
any front bar you want to craft (nirnhoned and sharped are good traits), that's your damage bar

make sure you have caltrop on your back bar, and a taunt (undaunted or frost staff taunt).

any mundus that you like : regen, penetration, armor... depending on what gives you the best balance of sustains/damage/tankyness.

this build will bring that amount of penetration for the group and yourself when alone :
3541 (heavy set) +
5280 (major fracture, caltrop) +
1320 (minor fracture, wall of frost) +
2109 (infused crusher on wall of frost, probably more with heartland conqueror) =
12 250

the pen cap for a vet trial is 18 200 i think. So 12 250 should be perfectly fine amount of pen for random normal designed for people under level 50 with miss matched sets.

of course, on your bar you should have a source of major resolve for you. minor resolve should come easy with the single target vigor from the alliance skill line.


i have all passive from all cp trees
i always use the red slotable for more armor, health, regen + 1 flex.
i also use my blue cp points for more damage but feel free to upgrade your tankyness/healing if you need it.

make sure you have all passive skills from all armor trait so the penaities of one type of armor get negated by another armor passive. in the end, you only just need 1 pc of sturdy to make up the worst penality of the 3rd piece of light armor you have.

getting the undaunted passive for increased max stats is also a plus.

with simular build that uses the ring of majesty on my nightblade, i have 40k health 30k resist self buffed and i can bring a ton of penetration for the group. questing and soloing is great. and if the group finder pair me light attack heroes or a fake healer that can't deal damage (sometime all at the same time) my fun factor is not affected despide the fact that it feels like im carrying potatoes.

you can easily test that build by soloing a couple of normal dungeon first and adjust it to your style before queuing for random.

enjoy

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