Always unkillable opponents

Brakkish · October 2023

I actually enjoy the current randomness of matchmaking. It's good to see some new faces, and some unpredictability of the matches.

Necrotech_Master · October 2023

Calastir wrote: »

4 Wins and numerous losses after a whole day of trying. Only got 1 new gear with 16 to go for BG. That's a lot. Perhaps too much?

BG gear is sadly uncurated, so pure RNG if you get the right items to finish collection

probably cheaper and easier to just buy the remaining items as most people either decon the gear or sell it for low prices

Calastir · October 2023

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

probably cheaper and easier to just buy the remaining items as most people either decon the gear or sell it for low prices

I level up the Alliance War Skill line at the same time, even though it's not very much fun and takes a long time this way for most of my characters.

Necrotech_Master · October 2023

Calastir wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

probably cheaper and easier to just buy the remaining items as most people either decon the gear or sell it for low prices

I level up the Alliance War Skill line at the same time, even though it's not very much fun and takes a long time this way for most of my characters.

i would imagine that would be easier to do in cyrodiil with a couple colovian war tortes lol

StaticWave · October 2023

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

Or you will get a cheesy bash build that is absolutely no fun to play with? I hate having brain dead bashers on my team or enemy teams. Just lame.

Let’s be real. If there are no healers on your team you only have a couple viable builds via sets. I’m sure there are people here who can tell you exactly how to build an OP bash set that requires zero skill.

A full healer in Battlegrounds is 10x worse than a basher because the healer will completely skew the entire Battleground in their favor. It's not even a close comparison.

Every single class can counter bash builds except Necro.

Here let me help you.

Dragonknight - DoT DK build is a hard counter to bashers
Sorcerer - High damage Mag Sorc with Hardened Ward and Rallying Cry is extremely difficult to kill as a basher
Nightblade - Unless the basher dips heavily into armor, a good Magblade will kill them.
Templar - Don't use Jesus Beam and you'll be fine. Bash gets 150% additional damage when interrupting the beam.
Warden - Build for Polar Wind and use vines. You probably won't kill the basher but you won't die either.
Arcanist - You are unkillable with Impervious Ward unless the basher is using Acuity and Corrosive/Onslaught. Just block/dodge until the buffs wear off then use your DoTs to kill the basher
Necro - Good luck

Stam Sorcs and weak Mag Sorcs get countered by bash builds because Dark Deal/Conv gives the basher 150% damage.

Lastly, not all bashers are as braindead as you think. It takes intimate knowledge of the combat system and hundreds of hours of play testing to compete at the highest level in PvP. Only spamming bash with Deadlands Demolisher won't get you anywhere. You need to weave in light attacks and skills while bashing and block weaving with recovery ticks. You need good target selection and you need to pick the right poisons and backbar enchants. It's easy to build an inefficient bash build and that's why you don't see many of them.

nope. this is totally wrong. i can tell you which person in that screen shot had a brain dead bash build.

if it were easily countered there wouldn’t be an insane imbalance like that.

Lol it's funny cause I also know a person on PC NA who only runs a bash build in BGs for probably a year now. He does pretty well with it but it's just funny cause he used to be a magsorc/sorc healer. I can't blame him cause those specs suck so bad. It's definitely pretty cheesy though but it's a gimmick build that only works in BGs, so I guess it's not so bad balance wise.

We are probably talking about the same guy lmao

Miracle19 · October 2023

StaticWave wrote: »

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

Or you will get a cheesy bash build that is absolutely no fun to play with? I hate having brain dead bashers on my team or enemy teams. Just lame.

Let’s be real. If there are no healers on your team you only have a couple viable builds via sets. I’m sure there are people here who can tell you exactly how to build an OP bash set that requires zero skill.

A full healer in Battlegrounds is 10x worse than a basher because the healer will completely skew the entire Battleground in their favor. It's not even a close comparison.

Every single class can counter bash builds except Necro.

Here let me help you.

Dragonknight - DoT DK build is a hard counter to bashers
Sorcerer - High damage Mag Sorc with Hardened Ward and Rallying Cry is extremely difficult to kill as a basher
Nightblade - Unless the basher dips heavily into armor, a good Magblade will kill them.
Templar - Don't use Jesus Beam and you'll be fine. Bash gets 150% additional damage when interrupting the beam.
Warden - Build for Polar Wind and use vines. You probably won't kill the basher but you won't die either.
Arcanist - You are unkillable with Impervious Ward unless the basher is using Acuity and Corrosive/Onslaught. Just block/dodge until the buffs wear off then use your DoTs to kill the basher
Necro - Good luck

Stam Sorcs and weak Mag Sorcs get countered by bash builds because Dark Deal/Conv gives the basher 150% damage.

Lastly, not all bashers are as braindead as you think. It takes intimate knowledge of the combat system and hundreds of hours of play testing to compete at the highest level in PvP. Only spamming bash with Deadlands Demolisher won't get you anywhere. You need to weave in light attacks and skills while bashing and block weaving with recovery ticks. You need good target selection and you need to pick the right poisons and backbar enchants. It's easy to build an inefficient bash build and that's why you don't see many of them.

nope. this is totally wrong. i can tell you which person in that screen shot had a brain dead bash build.

if it were easily countered there wouldn’t be an insane imbalance like that.

Lol it's funny cause I also know a person on PC NA who only runs a bash build in BGs for probably a year now. He does pretty well with it but it's just funny cause he used to be a magsorc/sorc healer. I can't blame him cause those specs suck so bad. It's definitely pretty cheesy though but it's a gimmick build that only works in BGs, so I guess it's not so bad balance wise.

We are probably talking about the same guy lmao

Agreed, it's a unique setup and only shines in very specific scenarios, and does very well in those but bad in all others. I think its balanced

moo_2021 · January 6

El_Borracho wrote: »

Because you ARE playing against at least one premade group. Group finder is not 12 randos. Its plugging a handful of randos onto either 3 man premades or onto your ship of fools. If you queue at or around the same time, my guess is that a guild out there runs BGs at that time.

Why can't ZOS just break up premade groups?

I have seen it a few times myself, not common but the chance of 3 high damage dealer + 1 (me) against 2 other groups making no kills is almost zero (EDIT: unless it's premade)

CameraBeardThePirate · January 8

moo_2021 wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Because you ARE playing against at least one premade group. Group finder is not 12 randos. Its plugging a handful of randos onto either 3 man premades or onto your ship of fools. If you queue at or around the same time, my guess is that a guild out there runs BGs at that time.

Why can't ZOS just break up premade groups?

I have seen it a few times myself, not common but the chance of 3 high damage dealer + 1 (me) against 2 other groups making no kills is almost zero (EDIT: unless it's premade)

Because BGs are the only place small scale players can go for consistent PvP.

Don't queue into the premade queue if you don't want to fight premades.

El_Borracho · January 8

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Because you ARE playing against at least one premade group. Group finder is not 12 randos. Its plugging a handful of randos onto either 3 man premades or onto your ship of fools. If you queue at or around the same time, my guess is that a guild out there runs BGs at that time.

Why can't ZOS just break up premade groups?

I have seen it a few times myself, not common but the chance of 3 high damage dealer + 1 (me) against 2 other groups making no kills is almost zero (EDIT: unless it's premade)

Because BGs are the only place small scale players can go for consistent PvP.

Don't queue into the premade queue if you don't want to fight premades.

Exactly. The population in BGs is low to begin with, and that is before you compare it to the Cyrodiil population. Its why there are still BGs that start with 4 v 4 v 3 teams.

Its pretty easy to distinguish a premade versus a team of randoms. The team of randoms may stick together, but the premade is stuck together, is surrounded by AOEs, heals, and shields. As @CameraBeardThePirate says, either be a premade or be prepared to fight premades.