If it's anything like NA then the Covenant seems to have more disposable resources... aka cannon fodder (bodies) to throw at a wall until it crumbles, which can, eventually, wither the best defenses, sadly. We'd been fighting and beating back both the DC and AD on NA Wabbajack for the past few days straight, while both factions just seemingly kept getting larger.

Well, we in the AD left for home because Altmer ran out of delicious wine to sip during sieges, Khajiit ran out of "sugar" and got the shakes and the Bosmer got sick from all the fat Covenant weekend warriors they had to eat in the past few weeks.

My home campaign is EU Auriels Bow where DC are firmly entrenched at the bottom of the leaderboard so I decide to guest in others to see what they were like.

What I've noticed with the DC in Bloodthorn that's vastly different to DC in Auriel is that there are a couple of people giving orders on what do in Zone chat and for the most part people are listening and doing it. This makes a big difference, when I first showed up DC were in 2nd place but had a strong map which has stayed strong the last few days and they've now taken the lead and are currently dominating.

I also think that I'm not the only other campaign DC refugee/guest who's showing up since the numbers are pretty solid everyday. Not that DC are the only ones padding numbers with people from other campaigns. I've seen some of Auriels top scoring EP players this week not having quite the same success as they're used to.

So DC in Bloodthorn are playing smart and possibly attracting DC from other campaigns since of the three campaigns I've looked at so far it's the only one where DC look to be competitive.

There's a lack of organised guilds for AD on Bloodthorn, basically. We only have zerg guilds, and when we do have a TS guild active they're not actually planned groups - just pugs with TS. I've regularly joined EDC 'guild' groups only to discover there's 1 level 15 healer and no-one has any siege equipment apart from me... this is barely a step up from just randomly picking anyone in /z.
Seems like the other factions learned that a properly organised guild group of 24 VR10s operating in concert is effective, while we decided that simply all being a member of the same guild makes you automatically organised. We don't plan our groups, and so we suffer.
Take EDC as an example. EDC was probably the first PvP guild on Bloodthorn AD, and it gave us a real advantage very briefly; it was still basically a zerg, but it was a zerg with some direction. EDC has 199 members, and 4 of them are VR10; PvP groups are organized by telling people in /g to type in the same number code into /z as randoms do. This is the the point where EDC essentially failed to transition to a properly organised PvP guild - they have basically recruited the zerg and taught it how to go to castles, but haven't really bothered to produce a professional PvP group at all. They just internalized the zerg. This means they can always produce a full group or two... but also that those groups are inferior in every respect to the properly organised guild groups being deployed by 1-2 guilds EP or DC are currently able to field.
Compare that with any video of Pryda. I fought Pryda at the barn outside Fare once. He had eight people with him, which I know because I was watching his stream as I fought him (dirty, but if you're gonna broadcast exactly what you're doing in real time to the enemy, expect us to watch it). These eight people held off 30+ of us for about an hour due to good use of terrain, excellent co-ordination and buffing, and good placement of AOE. Every member of their group was VR10; every member had a healing staff available and was in constant communication with every other member over TS. THAT is how a coordinated guild operates; they didn't take random members into their group, they were all able to fall into a healing role as required, and they were constantly announcing when rebuffs were needed etc.
Thing is, we'd only really need 1 or 2 of these properly organised guilds to tip the balance back. Both EP and DC have shown in this campaign that 12 people can hold a keep against 60, and what's more, a proper battle between two organised groups like this would be awesome to watch. I've no doubt that, as more of us reach VR, these guilds will begin to emerge and the zerg-based approach will begin to decay away; VR players looking for organised PvP simply aren't going to put up with random group selection and poor raid direction, and will look for leaders who can think tactically AND strategically.
Essentially, (and with no disrespect intended in what is simply my honest critique) EDC and other big zerg guilds grew out of the need for a strategic approach to PvP in the first 2 weeks, but don't have any real tactical layer; this makes them ineffective against the highly tactical groups that now dominate Bloodthorn EU.

Problem with 1 megaserver is everyone can have characters in all 3 factions on it.
If one faction starts to dominate easiest thing to do is switch characters or make character in that faction and simply join them.This creates snowball effect resulting in total domination of one faction in a particulat pvp campaign,which is what we see happening now.Problem will be even greater if they increase Xp gain in pvp.On the other hand,PvP without Xp rewards (now) also very much sucks.
Its a lose/lose situation for PvP in this game.

"As far as I know, you can't have characters from multiple factions in the same campaign. Am I mistaken? " Never done it but some people in Cyrodiil chat were talking about it like it can be done. /shrugs*

Friendly fire would solve so many problems...

Hithlum wrote: »

This is a very easy question to answer. Vampires happened. Daggerfall are the guys who abuse vamp ulti like crazy, Dominion and Pact doesn't abuse vampire ulti, you can see results of this in scoreboard, DC gained about 28k in a week on both EP and AD.

Has nothing to do with DC having some awesome tactics or anything, they are just wiping zergs with vamp bombs.

Ridiculous There are a lot of Pvp guilds in Daggerfall. All i see is EP using the vamp ult to and AD. Everyone uses it in all factions. Your comment is so ridiculous its almost tragic.

Well today should be interesting, an EP very early morning raid (complete with vamp ult spammer) turned the map red and got all the scrolls. Personally I think the game is broken if 10-12 people can do what they did but it is what it is.

Forztr wrote: »

Well today should be interesting, an EP very early morning raid (complete with vamp ult spammer) turned the map red and got all the scrolls. Personally I think the game is broken if 10-12 people can do what they did but it is what it is.

You can't make a game that can compensate for the unfairness of human players. Every game has rules, but it is the players who are supposed to enforce those rules and make the game fair and fun to play for everyone. Computer games are no different - the only difference is the higher percentage of players who just don't get what the game is all about.

You guys should come over to Crysamere. We've only lost the lead a few hours ago. We've been playing there with mostly organised guilds. The problem that caused us to loose our lead tho is that we're vastly outnumbered against enemy zergs. Whilst we beat them in our battles, we are too few players to be at every keep at the same time. We'd love more guilds and even pugs to join our campaign, we got a serious good shot at winning it. The more AD players join us, the easier it will be.

Better kick winning team joiner Auriels Bow DC guys ..
we dont needed them before and now all the *oldscool* bloothorn DC players bored about the 24/7 map control

tried to organise some resistance with randoms with limited success but in the end we are just outnumbered so badly that it gets ridiculous... will be getting pasted by blue and red zergs today too.. all day

The Ruby Throne belongs to the Covenant.