Why kill 40 to kill 150? Why such extreme change?

ProudMary · August 2023

Why was the kill 40 quest increased to kill 150? If the number of kills was deemed to be too low and too easy, why not double the number rather than quadruple it? Why such an extreme change? 150 kills is just shy of quadrupling the previous kills needed to finish this quest.

And why was this change implemented before we knew the mechanic for this achievement was fixed for getting the achievement while in group?

Veinblood1965 · August 2023

No Idea. That does really suck if true.

Inucham · August 2023

i dont really care if 40/80/150 cause im having fun in pvp, but does an increase on the quest targets mean an increase in reward?( i mean it, it seems logic in my head) .

but also interrested in why this change?
-more players loggued?
-giving candy to balpvpg?
-some quind of new wind comming to cyrodil?(i dont think so but hey)

may the moons bless your darkest nights in the wild.

Belegnole · August 2023

ProudMary wrote: »

Why was the kill 40 quest increased to kill 150? If the number of kills was deemed to be too low and too easy, why not double the number rather than quadruple it? Why such an extreme change? 150 kills is just shy of quadrupling the previous kills needed to finish this quest.

And why was this change implemented before we knew the mechanic for this achievement was fixed for getting the achievement while in group?

Because they want you to buy crown crates.

tincanman · August 2023

patch notes wrote:

The Conquest Board “Kill Players” quest is now group shared. To counterbalance the rapid progress of this quest during certain PvP engagements, the number of kills required has been increased from 40 to 150.

Seems a bit radical, despite the grouping caveat. Good luck to solo players; I guess the new favoured and flavoured attack mode is 'meatbag'?

Incidentally, what is the current player cap limit per campaign?

Telel · August 2023

tincanman wrote: »

patch notes wrote:

The Conquest Board “Kill Players” quest is now group shared. To counterbalance the rapid progress of this quest during certain PvP engagements, the number of kills required has been increased from 40 to 150.

Seems a bit radical, despite the grouping caveat. Good luck to solo players; I guess the new favoured and flavoured attack mode is 'meatbag'?

Incidentally, what is the current player cap limit per campaign?

80-100 ish if you're DC or EP

About 15-20 for AD. If you're on when Telel is playing anyways.

Just_Attivi · August 2023

there was a lot of comments about this change on the PTS forums.

The change was implemented to make it less of an instant finish during big fights. with this change they supposedly fixed kills not counting if you were grouped. and I agree, in big, prime time fights, 150 kills that, as long as you did anything to the enemy player you get credit, isnt bad.

but this feels like a change that was implemented for Midyear Mayhem/Whitestrakes, where you could walk out any keep and bomb 40 on the spot. as a primarily off peak hours player, I rarely see enough players in the few hours i will be on to actually even get 40 (and as a mostly solo/ungrouped player, never had issues for the kill 40 counting for me at least, I dont have issue scoring kills if theres a population to actually kill). getting 150 in off peak hours now? this is a multi day affair for more casual players/people not playing prime time, I'll dump it and take 3 towns at this point lol, which is already a conquest most people skip. maybe they want to encourage more people into taking towns to RP in vlast? I dont know what the issue is with letting people have an accessible conquest mission. Much of the PTS comments were echoing these points, but it was ignored.

reazea · August 2023

Belegnole wrote: »

ProudMary wrote: »

Why was the kill 40 quest increased to kill 150? If the number of kills was deemed to be too low and too easy, why not double the number rather than quadruple it? Why such an extreme change? 150 kills is just shy of quadrupling the previous kills needed to finish this quest.

And why was this change implemented before we knew the mechanic for this achievement was fixed for getting the achievement while in group?

Because they want you to buy crown crates.

I agree that there is far too much emphasis in ESO on the crates and monetization, but I don't see how that applies in this instance.

But the 150 number is just too high. ZOS over corrected again on this one. In a 2 hour raid today I only got 119 kills, and we were really tearing it up. I earned 300k AP in that time. So the 150 kills will take a minimum of 2.5 hours to complete, and that's while running with a strong group. That is excessive. Any gladiator quest should be able to be completed in a 2 hour raid run.

Artim_X · August 2023

With a number like that, this gladiator quest should be placed on a separate board from the rest.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · August 2023

ProudMary wrote: »

And why was this change implemented before we knew the mechanic for this achievement was fixed for getting the achievement while in group?

Testing a fix before pushing a change live is just not the sort of safe stable development strategy we like in these parts.

Marcus684 · August 2023

I got and completed this quest for the 1st time last night and it went surprisingly fast, about an hour. To be fair we were in a very long defense of Chalman from the entire EP server (BTW thanks for the 121k D-tick!) so I probably shouldn't say anything until I've tried to complete it on a slow night.

Jamie_Aubrey · August 2023

I had this quest and before I knew it it was done, doesn't take that long

SpiritKitten · August 2023

I was in an organized group as a healer and over 2 hours only received credit for 11 kills, those were players I heavy attacked to restore magicka. THIS IS BROKEN.

Reverb · August 2023

This quest is still doable as a daily if you play in GH during prime time. If you are in any other campaign, or during off peak times, consider this a weekly. It’s just another change from Zeni that encourages zerging instead of giving reason to spread out away from the big fights they know contribute to lag.

IndyMike26 · August 2023

Another example of this game forcing you to play in groups

DimTh · August 2023

Really now? 150kills? it needs over 3-4 hours playgame and it depends, if you have
to do with these terrible ball groups you stay about 30min or 1-2hours to kill it,

Zos are you ok? do you play in cyro to see how bad is this? Zos must stop the ball groups
from the game, no point on them, no fun, only waste of time, we only see people run around,
and run, and run, where is the fun with ball groups in game? and now, 150 kills?

It's impossible to do this quest when appearing ball groups only, some nights are
ball groups nights, so how this quest will complete ?

I hope you fix this mistake on the next hot-fix or next maintenance. You could make it 80kills,
no 150! Its crazy and work negative for the game for many people.

Necrotech_Master · August 2023

i could see this quest varying heavily depending on the time of day or if there was a big battle happening

last night i was in a 1-1.5 hour back and forth between sej and alessia (most of the time on or near the bridge) and accumulated 135 kills (killing blow + assists) in that time span

but i could see if your mostly small scaling your kills are going to come in a lot slower making it much more difficult to complete within a day, let alone an hour or 2

Heals_With_Orbs · September 2023

To me its to please the ball groups which seem to be becoming what eso PVP is predominantly about.

I watched one of the new counters the other night when there was an AD ball group around and it was something like 200 odd kills, and was literally under 5 minutes

It just means they don't have to keep going back to the quest board every minute. I think that's what the purpose of this battle victories counter is for too so they can get excited about how quickly they can kill players with no counter.

Nevermind, ZOS seem intent on keeping those ball groups happy even though some of them are using lag switches and other such methods, causing players skills not to work, frame rates to drop, pc's to crash and creating an environment where theres no way to counter them....unless you form your own ball group and become the very thing you detest and just add to the problem

AstroST · September 2023

The reason of this change is because they were unbale to fix a bug (or they didn't want to make the effort) and like they have been doing a lot lately they instead went the easiest way with little regards to their customers.

Tigor · September 2023

Is it not meant to stay a bit longer online and give the population a boost?

BetweenMidgets · September 2023

As a healer, I couldn't complete the kill 40 quest before unless I was ungrouped and following a zerg. Not my fav.

I can often complete this quest after 3 hours with my friends in Cyro, but as a healer its a real struggle.
As usual, ZoS made an attempt, and it fell a bit short. But credit where credit is due, I *CAN* complete it sometimes now.

Marcus684 · September 2023

Tigor wrote: »

Is it not meant to stay a bit longer online and give the population a boost?

I think you might have it right here. I've personally gone through phases where I only log on long enough to get in a quick Kill 40 quest completion then logged off, and changing it to Kill 150 has encouraged me to hang around longer to complete it.