Sorcerer abilities and this new only need to be on 1 bar thing Bound Armaments gets

Quethrosar · July 2023

Why is this not applied to Mage Guild skill Inner Light ?
How about doing something about pets needing 2 bars?
What is the decision tree for determining whether a skill will get this applies to 2 bars if only on 1 bar new rule ?

Soarora · July 2023

I think this only applying to class abilities is smart-- it adds some sweetening to the deal of using class abilities over global abilities. Global abilities should fill in where classes are lacking, not be used over class abilities.

MashmalloMan · July 2023

Soarora wrote: »

I think this only applying to class abilities is smart-- it adds some sweetening to the deal of using class abilities over global abilities. Global abilities should fill in where classes are lacking, not be used over class abilities.

Agreed. We don't need to dilute the game by making 1 bar provide 5 skills of passive buffs you never use. A handful of class skills should be the line we do not cross.

Tyrant_Tim · July 2023

Quethrosar wrote: »

Why is this not applied to Mage Guild skill Inner Light ?
How about doing something about pets needing 2 bars?
What is the decision tree for determining whether a skill will get this applies to 2 bars if only on 1 bar new rule ?

Would love to see pets get the one-bar treatment, they do inconsequential damage by themselves and the extra abilities that are activated all cost something and do far less than a standard ability should.

Daedric Prey is a bandaid fix to horrible pet design, it would be nice if they took a minute to make them desirable abilities without having to full-send a pet build.

Remathilis · July 2023

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

I think this only applying to class abilities is smart-- it adds some sweetening to the deal of using class abilities over global abilities. Global abilities should fill in where classes are lacking, not be used over class abilities.

Agreed. We don't need to dilute the game by making 1 bar provide 5 skills of passive buffs you never use. A handful of class skills should be the line we do not cross.

I'd love to see inferno and morphs get that change so I can put it on the backbar.

MashmalloMan · July 2023

Remathilis wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

I think this only applying to class abilities is smart-- it adds some sweetening to the deal of using class abilities over global abilities. Global abilities should fill in where classes are lacking, not be used over class abilities.

Agreed. We don't need to dilute the game by making 1 bar provide 5 skills of passive buffs you never use. A handful of class skills should be the line we do not cross.

I'd love to see inferno and morphs get that change so I can put it on the backbar.

Yeah seems like a no brainer.

AndreNoir · July 2023

I'd prefer they remove those buffs all together so ppl wil choose among abilities itself and not a passive buffs

Joarik · July 2023

I wonder how it works with Oakensoul? As in, could one put bound aegis or bound armaments on the back bar, the one that isn't accessed with Oakensoul, but still get the 8% stats and, with aegis, the minor resolve buff?

It might be an interesting option, particularly for a magsorc using a one-bar oaken build, to be able to benefit from bound aegis without having it occupy a slot on the one-bar being used. If anyone can test that, I'd be curious if it works.

robpr · July 2023

I think Gina said its a start, but they not gonna change all abilities to have that. 1 bar pets would be fantastic but at the same time would powercreep Sorc if you could add 2 additional dots to the build. Extra relief for Sorc tanks though.

Tyrant_Tim · July 2023

robpr wrote: »

I think Gina said its a start, but they not gonna change all abilities to have that. 1 bar pets would be fantastic but at the same time would powercreep Sorc if you could add 2 additional dots to the build. Extra relief for Sorc tanks though.

You’re absolutely right, if they made Sorc Pets 1-bar, and then buffed their activated abilities, they could lower Daedric Prey or rework it entirely.

They could even bring back Velocious Curse.

acastanza_ESO · July 2023

robpr wrote: »

I think Gina said its a start, but they not gonna change all abilities to have that. 1 bar pets would be fantastic but at the same time would powercreep Sorc if you could add 2 additional dots to the build. Extra relief for Sorc tanks though.

Mag Sorc (the only one that's liable to use pets) is still hot garbage. Enabling 1barred pets wouldn't be power creep it's be barely a tiny buff.

Tyrant_Tim · July 2023

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

I think Gina said its a start, but they not gonna change all abilities to have that. 1 bar pets would be fantastic but at the same time would powercreep Sorc if you could add 2 additional dots to the build. Extra relief for Sorc tanks though.

Mag Sorc (the only one that's liable to use pets) is still hot garbage. Enabling 1barred pets wouldn't be power creep it's be barely a tiny buff.

https://youtu.be/izZyeDmQmIc
This build uses two pets to hit 130k+, so yeah they could nerf Daedric Prey by around 20% if they made the abilities one-bar.

MashmalloMan · July 2023

robpr wrote: »

I think Gina said its a start, but they not gonna change all abilities to have that. 1 bar pets would be fantastic but at the same time would powercreep Sorc if you could add 2 additional dots to the build. Extra relief for Sorc tanks though.

They could nerf Sorc pets as much as they want to make them 1 bar only. I don't care. I'm so tired of these skills holding back the class. They can make it work.

Whoever thought of the brilliant idea to make the classes Tank % Burst Heal and Healer Burst Heal attached to killable, dumb, pets for 2 slots should have their psych evaluated. They should have always only been for DPS.

acastanza_ESO · July 2023

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

I think Gina said its a start, but they not gonna change all abilities to have that. 1 bar pets would be fantastic but at the same time would powercreep Sorc if you could add 2 additional dots to the build. Extra relief for Sorc tanks though.

Mag Sorc (the only one that's liable to use pets) is still hot garbage. Enabling 1barred pets wouldn't be power creep it's be barely a tiny buff.

https://youtu.be/izZyeDmQmIc
This build uses two pets to hit 130k+, so yeah they could nerf Daedric Prey by around 20% if they made the abilities one-bar.

That source for parses is no longer considered credible.

propertyOfUndefined · July 2023

I think the passives on mystic syphon, restoring tether and bitter harvest should be given this treatment. It'd go a long way in helping necromancers with their current struggles, but would be far from being overpowered.

Tyrant_Tim · July 2023

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

I think Gina said its a start, but they not gonna change all abilities to have that. 1 bar pets would be fantastic but at the same time would powercreep Sorc if you could add 2 additional dots to the build. Extra relief for Sorc tanks though.

Mag Sorc (the only one that's liable to use pets) is still hot garbage. Enabling 1barred pets wouldn't be power creep it's be barely a tiny buff.

https://youtu.be/izZyeDmQmIc
This build uses two pets to hit 130k+, so yeah they could nerf Daedric Prey by around 20% if they made the abilities one-bar.

That source for parses is no longer considered credible.

How much of that parse could have been faked?
I mean seriously watch the video, the class hits extremely hard with pets, but it’s way too inconvenient to have to double bar them.

acastanza_ESO · July 2023

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

I think Gina said its a start, but they not gonna change all abilities to have that. 1 bar pets would be fantastic but at the same time would powercreep Sorc if you could add 2 additional dots to the build. Extra relief for Sorc tanks though.

Mag Sorc (the only one that's liable to use pets) is still hot garbage. Enabling 1barred pets wouldn't be power creep it's be barely a tiny buff.

https://youtu.be/izZyeDmQmIc
This build uses two pets to hit 130k+, so yeah they could nerf Daedric Prey by around 20% if they made the abilities one-bar.

That source for parses is no longer considered credible.

How much of that parse could have been faked?
I mean seriously watch the video, the class hits extremely hard with pets, but it’s way too inconvenient to have to double bar them.

Single target dummy humping numbers are useless for assessing a classes performance and ZOS's insistence on balancing around them is one of the major fundamental issues with the game. Also, relying on a parse from someone who was shown to fabricate parses isn't supporting evidence. It doesn't matter "how much" might've been fabricated.

Soarora · July 2023

Joarik wrote: »

I wonder how it works with Oakensoul? As in, could one put bound aegis or bound armaments on the back bar, the one that isn't accessed with Oakensoul, but still get the 8% stats and, with aegis, the minor resolve buff?

It might be an interesting option, particularly for a magsorc using a one-bar oaken build, to be able to benefit from bound aegis without having it occupy a slot on the one-bar being used. If anyone can test that, I'd be curious if it works.

Unfortunately, yes. It does work.

Foxtrot39 · July 2023

All in for removing the double bare requirement for skill like those bare space is very scarce, having to slot the same skill on both bars always sounded like a self inflicted nerf

Braffin · July 2023

Soarora wrote: »

Joarik wrote: »

I wonder how it works with Oakensoul? As in, could one put bound aegis or bound armaments on the back bar, the one that isn't accessed with Oakensoul, but still get the 8% stats and, with aegis, the minor resolve buff?

It might be an interesting option, particularly for a magsorc using a one-bar oaken build, to be able to benefit from bound aegis without having it occupy a slot on the one-bar being used. If anyone can test that, I'd be curious if it works.

Unfortunately, yes. It does work.

Seems like an unintended oversight. Let's hope this will be changed during PTS cycle.

Tyrant_Tim · July 2023

Foxtrot39 wrote: »

All in for removing the double bare requirement for skill like those bare space is very scarce, having to slot the same skill on both bars always sounded like a self inflicted nerf

Especially for the pets, they function like a DoT with an undeterminable duration.

Pets can die a second out after casting, you can be bashed while summoning them, and their active abilities require the pet to be alive, and not CC’d.