Wait so I am locked for another 25 days because they extended the campaign???

Eliran · June 2023

Why would you do that? been waiting to change alliance on grey host for so long after faction change and now I am still locked for extra 25 days, at least give us the option to change or end the old campaign?? logic?

Yirmeyahu · June 2023

Equally, if not more so, troubling is that many individuals (think returning veterans or newer players) actually count on their end of campaign rewards (especially transmutation geodes).

For my own sanity, I'm going to pretend that this is a "bug" that will be corrected in Tuesday maintenance tomorrow. If not, I suppose it will have to be chalked up to yet another middle finger in a long list of many to the PvP community.

SaffronCitrusflower · June 2023

Why is the question that we deserve an answer to, for sure.

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror

adirondack · June 2023

Campaigns used to 90 days. Those were good days. When orcs were orcs, elves were elves, and all argonians were above average.

(Bonus points if you catch the reference)

TechMaybeHic · June 2023

Wait. You mean the campaign that was nearly over, in stead of giving a shortened campaign by a few days; they extend by a few weeks? LoL foresight is impeccable

Jestir · June 2023

This hurts, the experiment with AD has been a horrendous and deflating experience.

I thought I was finally free from that no man's land and able to get a look at the life in the EP next but here I am, stuck playing battlegrounds instead.

Delphinia · June 2023

Bleakz wrote: »

This hurts, the experiment with AD has been a horrendous and deflating experience.

I thought I was finally free from that no man's land and able to get a look at the life in the EP next but here I am, stuck playing battlegrounds instead.

Yes, AD is not easy mode for sure.

A lot of players have left eso completely, while some others have just moved to other factions.
I haven't seen many "recruitments" for AD, but have for EP & DC. I won't speak for others, but for me and my husband, we've been playing AD since 2014 (with the exception for me going to one camp on each of the other two factions) and I've found that the population and interest in pvp fluctuates. People come and go. I recently came back from a hiatus and the population has been dwindling, except for DC. I've yet to see their pop go lower than the other two. Certain hours of the day/night are even worse. Just last night, one minute before the server went down, AD was gated by both DC & EP, and DC had the hammer and one of AD's scrolls.

As I said, it fluctuates over the months and years. But, generally speaking, AD is not for the weak of heart.

If you want a challenge, potential for more AP, don't mind getting blobbed over nightly, seeing DC with a 5k-10k lead, sometimes more, and don't mind "losing" a majority of the time, then AD might be for you. If you like getting tells calling you a "zergling" after you have been oozed over by 50+ players, AD might be for you. If you enjoy getting tbagged by someone who was hiding in that 50+ blob who had zero hand in your death, AD might be for you. If you would rather have some good laughs in zone chat even when you're pushed to your gate, AD might be for you. If you don't get too serious about sieging, but do your best, scrounge through your bag, and find you only have a fire ballista left, but still use it anyway to hit the door, (being able to laugh at yourself while doing so), AD might be for you. If you like watching DC take down the milegate between Ash and Nik, jump over, then try to run back, only to find themselves literally backed against a wall, AD might be for you. If you know deep deep down in the cockles of your heart that this is a three faction war, but can find the humor in watching EP & DC stand side by side, holding hands while sieging your keep, AD might be for you. (Okay, sometimes they have a little lover's spat up North). If you miss being called "marginal trash faction" by a certain someone who is sadly no longer with us, AD might be for you. If you can tell what time of day it is by how many times Brindle has been flipped, AD might be for you. If you enjoy watching the other faction's track team run laps around the top floor of your keep, occasionally handing them a cup of water and a towel, AD might be for you. And lastly, if you can take a beating, lose everything on the map, and watch the other faction emp and run off with your scrolls yet again, but still be able to have had some fun knowing you fought well, AD might be for you.

Jestir · June 2023

Somewhat off topic but to reply to the above comment

I don't have any problem getting my teeth kicked in by the other factions as an AD, I have been AD in PVP since I started ESO soon after 1T and started doing what i planned to be 2 months/GH periods on each faction after returning from my latest ESO vacation to see how each side is, my problem with the faction is more with, how do i put it nicely, the culture of the faction.

amadeus001 · June 2023

Delphi, that is awesome and real. The killer for me has been for more than 12 months a population imbalance, the worst of it is for how many years developers have done nothing. Secondly the toxicity, for example devs allowing toxic game play to exist, or another really bad one, is well know players with accounts in different factions, logging on to steal scrolls or hammers and give to their current faction. i like great fights, dont get me wrong, but NA GH for example is the prime pvp on this server and one faction winning constanly by more than 3000 point, current campaign 500o points and i have seen over 10000 points. The current state of the game is a joke. The community can take some responsibility for this, but mainly i take aim at the developers. Sigh......

Delphinia · June 2023

Bleakz wrote: »

Somewhat off topic but to reply to the above comment

I don't have any problem getting my teeth kicked in by the other factions as an AD, I have been AD in PVP since I started ESO soon after 1T and started doing what i planned to be 2 months/GH periods on each faction after returning from my latest ESO vacation to see how each side is, my problem with the faction is more with, how do i put it nicely, the culture of the faction.

Completely understand. Your initial comment, was not "off topic" at all. 🙂
As you said, "This hurts, the experiment with AD has been a horrendous and deflating experience."
Sorry to hear it was such a terrible encounter for you!
It was clear you experienced frustration being on AD and are eager to move on quickly, but cannot due to the extension of the campaign. As you pointed out, it was your intention to go to EP next, but due to this extension, you are "stuck playing battlegrounds instead." It seems evident that by saying "stuck", you'd prefer not to play bgs, but the experience on AD was so atrocious, that you are relenting.

My comment was in response to your topic of that experience.
Per your follow up, I agree and will add that I think it's a great idea to explore each faction. That's exactly what I did. I planned not to return to the game, so I felt I owed it to myself to get the full experience from all facets, not just one. In addition, it helps to understand a different perspective.

So, definitely your post and my follow up response are on topic. You are well within your rights to express your frustration. I think we've all had some frustration with the experience from time to time.
I can certainly understand not wanting to play out the rest of the campaign, especially since it was extended and you were not planning for that.

My original response to your original expression of disdain for the time you had while on AD was to help shine some light on how some of us on AD also view the experience and that it most definitely is not a walk in the park. However, it sounds like you've encountered some issues within the faction and I can also understand that. As I noted on all three factions, there are good and bad behaviors across the board.

I do hope you have a better experience going forward. Best of luck!

UnabashedlyHonest · June 2023

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Why is the question that we deserve an answer to, for sure.

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror

I fully agree. The player base is owed a rational explanation for this change. Not only are PvP players being hosed out of, essentially, an entire campaign of rewards, but now campaigns are no longer the same length. Who ever cared that camps don't end on the last day of the month? Or that they begin on the first day of the month? Now there is no such thing as a 30 day campaign. Now it's 28-31 day campaign because ???? why? How is this rational? Was the objective just to irritate people trying to get transmutes from Cyrodiil? Because that is the most notable impact from this unneeded change that nobody asked for.

Why was this change made? The PvP population deserves an explanation. An explanation that we will likely never get because ZOS holds itself as being unaccountable to the player base.

This is yet another kick in the face to the PvP community for no reason.

Why? What's going on here?

@ZOS_Kevin

@ZOS_GinaBruno

KlauthWarthog · June 2023

I am not quite sure what kind of bizarro logic they followed that lead to the conclusion that extending a campaign by 25 days was a better idea than ending it 3 days earlier.

Marcus684 · June 2023

Bleakz wrote: »

This hurts, the experiment with AD has been a horrendous and deflating experience.

I thought I was finally free from that no man's land and able to get a look at the life in the EP next but here I am, stuck playing battlegrounds instead.

Lmao I feel you. I've been a life-long DC but felt the need to check the color of the grass a few years back, and definitely had mixed results. EP was pretty fun to play on but AD was just terrible. Nobody would group except with their little cliques and the zone chat trolls were horrible. I think my Ignore list tripled on the first day.

Theignson · June 2023

Delphinia wrote: »

Bleakz wrote: »

This hurts, the experiment with AD has been a horrendous and deflating experience.

I thought I was finally free from that no man's land and able to get a look at the life in the EP next but here I am, stuck playing battlegrounds instead.

Yes, AD is not easy mode for sure.

A lot of players have left eso completely, while some others have just moved to other factions.
I haven't seen many "recruitments" for AD, but have for EP & DC. I won't speak for others, but for me and my husband, we've been playing AD since 2014 (with the exception for me going to one camp on each of the other two factions) and I've found that the population and interest in pvp fluctuates. People come and go. I recently came back from a hiatus and the population has been dwindling, except for DC. I've yet to see their pop go lower than the other two. Certain hours of the day/night are even worse. Just last night, one minute before the server went down, AD was gated by both DC & EP, and DC had the hammer and one of AD's scrolls.

As I said, it fluctuates over the months and years. But, generally speaking, AD is not for the weak of heart.

If you want a challenge, potential for more AP, don't mind getting blobbed over nightly, seeing DC with a 5k-10k lead, sometimes more, and don't mind "losing" a majority of the time, then AD might be for you. If you like getting tells calling you a "zergling" after you have been oozed over by 50+ players, AD might be for you. If you enjoy getting tbagged by someone who was hiding in that 50+ blob who had zero hand in your death, AD might be for you. If you would rather have some good laughs in zone chat even when you're pushed to your gate, AD might be for you. If you don't get too serious about sieging, but do your best, scrounge through your bag, and find you only have a fire ballista left, but still use it anyway to hit the door, (being able to laugh at yourself while doing so), AD might be for you. If you like watching DC take down the milegate between Ash and Nik, jump over, then try to run back, only to find themselves literally backed against a wall, AD might be for you. If you know deep deep down in the cockles of your heart that this is a three faction war, but can find the humor in watching EP & DC stand side by side, holding hands while sieging your keep, AD might be for you. (Okay, sometimes they have a little lover's spat up North). If you miss being called "marginal trash faction" by a certain someone who is sadly no longer with us, AD might be for you. If you can tell what time of day it is by how many times Brindle has been flipped, AD might be for you. If you enjoy watching the other faction's track team run laps around the top floor of your keep, occasionally handing them a cup of water and a towel, AD might be for you. And lastly, if you can take a beating, lose everything on the map, and watch the other faction emp and run off with your scrolls yet again, but still be able to have had some fun knowing you fought well, AD might be for you.

I love this!
But, I feel much the same way on EP (I've always played EP). I play late night PST and for the last two years most nights we are double teamed and all the same comments apply. EP has won one single camp in the last 2 years since a certain zone general (now on DC) left.
However, its been much worse lately, DC always has poplock vs our 2 bars, 70+ DC roll into our keeps and demolish the 10 EP defenders, there is no point to it anymore.
During Midyear Mayhem we had some of the old style huge hour long keep defense battles with equal forces-- was great fun, win or lose

Marcus684 · June 2023

KlauthWarthog wrote: »

I am not quite sure what kind of bizarro logic they followed that lead to the conclusion that extending a campaign by 25 days was a better idea than ending it 3 days earlier.

I firmly believe the outcry if they'd ended it 3 days early would have been much worse.

Theignson wrote: »

Delphinia wrote: »

Bleakz wrote: »

This hurts, the experiment with AD has been a horrendous and deflating experience.

I thought I was finally free from that no man's land and able to get a look at the life in the EP next but here I am, stuck playing battlegrounds instead.

Yes, AD is not easy mode for sure.

A lot of players have left eso completely, while some others have just moved to other factions.
I haven't seen many "recruitments" for AD, but have for EP & DC. I won't speak for others, but for me and my husband, we've been playing AD since 2014 (with the exception for me going to one camp on each of the other two factions) and I've found that the population and interest in pvp fluctuates. People come and go. I recently came back from a hiatus and the population has been dwindling, except for DC. I've yet to see their pop go lower than the other two. Certain hours of the day/night are even worse. Just last night, one minute before the server went down, AD was gated by both DC & EP, and DC had the hammer and one of AD's scrolls.

As I said, it fluctuates over the months and years. But, generally speaking, AD is not for the weak of heart.

If you want a challenge, potential for more AP, don't mind getting blobbed over nightly, seeing DC with a 5k-10k lead, sometimes more, and don't mind "losing" a majority of the time, then AD might be for you. If you like getting tells calling you a "zergling" after you have been oozed over by 50+ players, AD might be for you. If you enjoy getting tbagged by someone who was hiding in that 50+ blob who had zero hand in your death, AD might be for you. If you would rather have some good laughs in zone chat even when you're pushed to your gate, AD might be for you. If you don't get too serious about sieging, but do your best, scrounge through your bag, and find you only have a fire ballista left, but still use it anyway to hit the door, (being able to laugh at yourself while doing so), AD might be for you. If you like watching DC take down the milegate between Ash and Nik, jump over, then try to run back, only to find themselves literally backed against a wall, AD might be for you. If you know deep deep down in the cockles of your heart that this is a three faction war, but can find the humor in watching EP & DC stand side by side, holding hands while sieging your keep, AD might be for you. (Okay, sometimes they have a little lover's spat up North). If you miss being called "marginal trash faction" by a certain someone who is sadly no longer with us, AD might be for you. If you can tell what time of day it is by how many times Brindle has been flipped, AD might be for you. If you enjoy watching the other faction's track team run laps around the top floor of your keep, occasionally handing them a cup of water and a towel, AD might be for you. And lastly, if you can take a beating, lose everything on the map, and watch the other faction emp and run off with your scrolls yet again, but still be able to have had some fun knowing you fought well, AD might be for you.

I love this!
But, I feel much the same way on EP (I've always played EP). I play late night PST and for the last two years most nights we are double teamed and all the same comments apply. EP has won one single camp in the last 2 years since a certain zone general (now on DC) left.
However, its been much worse lately, DC always has poplock vs our 2 bars, 70+ DC roll into our keeps and demolish the 10 EP defenders, there is no point to it anymore.
During Midyear Mayhem we had some of the old style huge hour long keep defense battles with equal forces-- was great fun, win or lose

That "certain zone general" is definitely a mixed blessing on DC. On a good day they're pretty good at getting most of the unorganized solos languishing in our keeps moving to take something, but on a bad day not so much. I'd hate to give anyone credit where credit isn't due, but it's hard to argue that DC's fortunes haven't improved since they swapped to our side.

This is probably what wins campaigns these days, since ball groups only seem to want to log on to farm AP at a back keep for a couple of hours in the evening then leave. The alliance that won the campaign used to be the one that had the best guild groups that actually cared about the campaign, and the one that organized the best pug groups, of which there would be at least 2-3. Now we rarely seem to have anyone willing to organize and lead pug groups, so most players end up hanging around front line keeps waiting for something to happen, until they get bored and log out.

As I've said in another thread, I think DC has had a pop advantage lately almost entirely due to casuals flocking to the winning side. ZOS hasn't done enough to give them a reason to want to fight on the underdog alliances, since all they care about is getting their transmutes and maybe completing daily quests.

FinneganFroth · June 2023

We all know ZOS isn't going to respond to this right? They just added a 25 day extension onto the campaign and know we are going to roll over on it. It shows that they don't care about us at all.

YandereGirlfriend · June 2023

FinneganFroth wrote: »

We all know ZOS isn't going to respond to this right? They just added a 25 day extension onto the campaign and know we are going to roll over on it. It shows that they don't care about us at all.

Seems that way, unfortunately.

SaffronCitrusflower · June 2023

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

FinneganFroth wrote: »

We all know ZOS isn't going to respond to this right? They just added a 25 day extension onto the campaign and know we are going to roll over on it. It shows that they don't care about us at all.

Seems that way, unfortunately.

ZOS does not consider itself to be accountable to the PvP player base in any way, shape or form. Expecting fairness or even a response regarding this issue is, apparently, expecting too much.