How do you feel about ToT deserter penalty?

ESO_player123 · June 2023

I think most of the ToT players were in a situation when they feel that a game went south from the start and are ready to concede it to save time. However, there is a still a penalty for doing so. So, if you do not want to wait 10 minutes, you are forced to continue playing even though you know that there is absolutely no chance to win it. Would you like the penalty to be reduced/removed?

tsaescishoeshiner · June 2023

Obligatory "Other" option

Because of the match end rewards, I think there needs to be some way to prevent people from spamming concedes.

I think players should be able to request to concede once per turn. Like if you want out, your opponent can agree or decide to keep playing. If they agree, you lose instantly but get a reduced deserter timer.

If they're worried about people "farming" defeat boxes, they could make it so you only get a defeat box for a concede once every X minutes.

I personally don't have this problem because I never concede, I've never had someone "rope" me for a game they were winning, and the few times my opponent conceded, I felt like they probably still had a chance but were disheartened.

10 minutes is a long penalty for standard card game behavior tho.

Veryamedliel · June 2023

Keep as is

just ending your turn without playing is fast enough and costs you nothing. It also signals the player that you're giving up which is only good sportsmanship.
I see no reason for the penalty to be changed.

Froil · June 2023

Remove the penalty

NGL it's stupid. If I'm losing, usually am, and losing badly, usually am, then just let me quit, give them a free win, otherwise I'll just end my turn immediately. Close enough, just slower.

ESO_player123 · June 2023

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

If they're worried about people "farming" defeat boxes, they could make it so you only get a defeat box for a concede once every X minutes.
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But you do not get the reward box if you concede. It's how it is right now. So, farming should not be an issue.

ESO_player123 · June 2023

Veryamedliel wrote: »

just ending your turn without playing is fast enough and costs you nothing. It also signals the player that you're giving up which is only good sportsmanship.
I see no reason for the penalty to be changed.

Unfortunately, It's not always fast enough if the other player plays a lot of combos and continues playing even if they could win on that turn.

Dr_Con · June 2023

can't you swap characters?

there should no leaver penalty at 10+ minutes other than lost rank/leaderboard status, people can force a stalemate if they are lucky and have the Rajhin deck.

People who take forever to make turns when they are clearly winning should be banned from the game. Better yet, just put a 24 hour cooldown on facing that person again.

SilverBride · June 2023

I do not play ToT

I stopped playing because of the ranking system.

ESO_player123 · June 2023

Dr_Con wrote: »

can't you swap characters?

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Of course I can swap characters, but I was more interested to know people's feeling about the penalty in general. Besides, there might be people who did not unlock ToT on more than one character.

ESO_player123 · June 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

I stopped playing because of the ranking system.

I'm not sure I understand. There is no ranking in casual matches.

jtm1018 · June 2023

Obligatory "Other" option

Wtf is a tot?

ESO_player123 · June 2023

jtm1018 wrote: »

Wtf is a tot?

Tales of Tribute card game released with High Isle

SilverBride · June 2023

I do not play ToT

ESO_player123 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I stopped playing because of the ranking system.

I'm not sure I understand. There is no ranking in casual matches.

I played ranked exclusively. After I reached my breaking point with the ranking system I tried playing just casual but it wasn't fun not having a goal to work toward. Then I tried playing NPCs but it's just too easy to beat them. So the ranking system ruined ToT for me.

Dr_Con · June 2023

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Dr_Con wrote: »

can't you swap characters?

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Of course I can swap characters, but I was more interested to know people's feeling about the penalty in general. Besides, there might be people who did not unlock ToT on more than one character.

Getting it done on an alt character literally takes less time than it takes for the leaver timer to tick down and also prevents people from hearing Sorinne scream in their ears every time they go past her.

ZOS_Hadeostry · June 2023

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it deals with Tales of Tribute.

Thank you for your understanding

Veryamedliel · June 2023

Keep as is

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Veryamedliel wrote: »

just ending your turn without playing is fast enough and costs you nothing. It also signals the player that you're giving up which is only good sportsmanship.
I see no reason for the penalty to be changed.

Unfortunately, It's not always fast enough if the other player plays a lot of combos and continues playing even if they could win on that turn.

Just because some people are jerks, it doesn't mean you should become one.
Anyway, in my experience that kind of behaviour is rare enough to keep the penalty in place.
Remember, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind =]

Elrond87 · June 2023

half the time it gives me no penalty if it does i relog and do it on another character

TybaltKaine · June 2023

Keep as is

It's fine. There aren't always gonna be people that score run just to score run, and if you encounter one, just make note of the name, and try to avoid that player when you can. MMO's cater to a wide variety of people, and some just want to power game in everything, that's cool if it suits them, but you don't have to be a doormat for it.

A concede function would be too easily abused to gain rewards, unless you specify that a concede gets no rewards, and then you are just back in the same boat, only now it has an extra, broken and useless oar.

ESO_player123 · June 2023

Veryamedliel wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Veryamedliel wrote: »

just ending your turn without playing is fast enough and costs you nothing. It also signals the player that you're giving up which is only good sportsmanship.
I see no reason for the penalty to be changed.

Unfortunately, It's not always fast enough if the other player plays a lot of combos and continues playing even if they could win on that turn.

Just because some people are jerks, it doesn't mean you should become one.
Anyway, in my experience that kind of behaviour is rare enough to keep the penalty in place.
Remember, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind =]

Why me thinking that penalty might be excessive makes me a jerk in your eyes? Yes, it would be nice to speed up the process if the game is clearly lost. If you think that the penalty should stay, could you please state your reasons?

ESO_player123 · June 2023

TybaltKaine wrote: »

It's fine. There aren't always gonna be people that score run just to score run, and if you encounter one, just make note of the name, and try to avoid that player when you can. MMO's cater to a wide variety of people, and some just want to power game in everything, that's cool if it suits them, but you don't have to be a doormat for it.

A concede function would be too easily abused to gain rewards, unless you specify that a concede gets no rewards, and then you are just back in the same boat, only now it has an extra, broken and useless oar.

But to my knowledge concede option does not give any rewards right now (unless I was missing it every time I was conceding). And that should stay. You get a reward only if you win on defeated the normal way (by playing the game till its natural end.)

GCJ_ · June 2023

Obligatory "Other" option

The deserter penalty needs to be removed from crashes/disconnects/drops or any other involuntary action that results in a points loss AND a timeout penalty. Especially if the error message acknowledges that its their fault, or at least knows its not your fault that an unexpected internal error occurred. The deserter penalty, or any penalty needs to be separated from those situations before any voluntary actions like conceding is addressed, not that I agree with that either. But atleast there is choice there, and its not always applied. How exactly do you ''desert'' an opponent anyway?

GCJ_ · June 2023

Obligatory "Other" option

they could at the very least rename the ''concede match'' option to ''desert your opponent'' seeing as how according to them that's what you are actually doing.

Necrotech_Master · June 2023

i generally only play npcs, thankfully there is no concede timer when you concede (though still no rewards, so i still will end up just playing to the natural end if they happen to get a better game than me so i get something for my time)

for the pvp tribute there could be any number of reasons why the player left the match

crash or disconnect (due to zos bug)
disconnect (due to non zos bug such as power or internet lapse)
legitimate concede (knowing your behind and no way to recover the game)
point concede (intentionally conceding immediately for any number of reasons related to leaderboard "manipulation" (this could be malevolent or a way to get around the janky point reward system on ranked matches at high end so you can start earning points again)

rbfrgsp · June 2023

Remove the penalty

Remove it in unranked.

Leave it unchanged in ranked play.

LunaFlora · June 2023

Keep as is

it's fine. i don't concede matches because it's nice to get rewards even if i lose

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