We might need old Rally and Mutagen back.

NyassaV · May 2023

For those who do not know, Rally used to apply a Heal over Time as well as having the ramping burst heal at the end. Though it was sad to see it go, it wasn't really all that game breaking at the time. With how PvP is right now, even when you manage to avoid someone's burst the Damage over Time effects they have put on you will whittle you down.

How do we deal with those dots? Well people turn to sets like Mara's Balm. In the past, dots were still needed in PvP to an extent but now they feel far more powerful than before especially when light attacks are hitting for 2k damage even with Battle Spirit (Maybe battle spirit should reduce the damage of light attack by some amount?). Having that tiny little heal over time that will bring your heal up by around 500 every second can really help relieve pressure.

Mutagen was the other morph of Rapid Regen, it lasted 20 seconds and when you reached a threshold of health the healing effect would be consumed to give you a small heal right there and then. In addition that that consumed heal, it would purge one negative effect. This ability would serve a similar purpose to Rally's Heal over Time in that the heal over time will help relieve pressure but it also gives people a way to cleanse things without having to turn to a set which everyone and their mother decides to run.

Thoughts?

Syiccal · May 2023

Could try hist sap now maras is nerfed.

Woodenplank · May 2023

Half of ESO asking for more heal and survivability options; other half clamoring about nerfing the "tank meta," and how boring PVP has gotten with all the heals and tankiness...

I pity the devs, I actually really do.

NyassaV · May 2023

Woodenplank wrote: »

Half of ESO asking for more heal and survivability options; other half clamoring about nerfing the "tank meta," and how boring PVP has gotten with all the heals and tankiness...

I pity the devs, I actually really do.

So in the past we didn't have as much of a tank meta... And we had more forms of healing... So perhaps messing with healing pushed people towards the tank meta?

But yeah, I pity them too. Can't make everyone happy.

auz · May 2023

Nerf healing. Not buff it. Nerf all the burst heals and stop heals of the same name stacking in pvp.

Syiccal · May 2023

Problem Is heal stacking not solo

Fruity_Ninja · May 2023

Not sure we need more readily available heals on commonly used skills. Heal stacking is already an issue.

Mrtoobyy · May 2023

auz wrote: »

Nerf healing. Not buff it. Nerf all the burst heals and stop heals of the same name stacking in pvp.

This!!! OR as many of us have suggested, make spell/weapon damage ONLY do damage. This way healibg power won't be so easy to increase. If u want more healing you have to get the % multipliers. Can we at last try it on the PTS ZOS?

StarOfElyon · May 2023

NyassaV wrote: »

For those who do not know, Rally used to apply a Heal over Time as well as having the ramping burst heal at the end. Though it was sad to see it go, it wasn't really all that game breaking at the time. With how PvP is right now, even when you manage to avoid someone's burst the Damage over Time effects they have put on you will whittle you down.

How do we deal with those dots? Well people turn to sets like Mara's Balm. In the past, dots were still needed in PvP to an extent but now they feel far more powerful than before especially when light attacks are hitting for 2k damage even with Battle Spirit (Maybe battle spirit should reduce the damage of light attack by some amount?). Having that tiny little heal over time that will bring your heal up by around 500 every second can really help relieve pressure.

Mutagen was the other morph of Rapid Regen, it lasted 20 seconds and when you reached a threshold of health the healing effect would be consumed to give you a small heal right there and then. In addition that that consumed heal, it would purge one negative effect. This ability would serve a similar purpose to Rally's Heal over Time in that the heal over time will help relieve pressure but it also gives people a way to cleanse things without having to turn to a set which everyone and their mother decides to run.

Thoughts?

I don't use Maras and I'm ok with dots currently. Rally already does a lot so I don't see a need for change.

bachpain · May 2023

Mrtoobyy wrote: »

auz wrote: »

Nerf healing. Not buff it. Nerf all the burst heals and stop heals of the same name stacking in pvp.

This!!! OR as many of us have suggested, make spell/weapon damage ONLY do damage. This way healibg power won't be so easy to increase. If u want more healing you have to get the % multipliers. Can we at last try it on the PTS ZOS?

This was how it USED to be. This change is really what started the "tank meta" that everyone is complaining about and the insane ability people have to get burst damage and instantly heal. You used to have to decide what you wanted to do in PVP, heal, deal damage, or be tanky.

Step by step it got worse with sets, skills, and changes. Nowadays with the proc sets, the heals scaling off of max stat plus weapon/spell damage, and heals that scale off of health etc you don't have to choose. You can go all out in damage and still heal like a maniac, or have 50k health and heal insanely and have some damage as well. You don't have to really choose what you want to do, everyone can do it all at the same time. Everyone likes to blame sets like Mara's but it is a much broader issue that stems from the "fun" times of PVP as well when you could run foot to the floor offensive and dish out insane DPS and be a heal bot at the same time.

DrNukenstein · May 2023

Nah, everyone except mag sorcs has enough easy healing right now.

Mag sorcs have enough healing too, but since the burst healing is tied to a double barred pet I wouldn't call it easy healing, but it's definitely enough.