Huh? I have a normal mouse and a normal keyboard and I weave and dps while moving completely fine. Only thing I've changed is I bound barswap to one of the side buttons.
Agenericname wrote: »Huh? I have a normal mouse and a normal keyboard and I weave and dps while moving completely fine. Only thing I've changed is I bound barswap to one of the side buttons.
Same. My mouse has 2 side buttons, one of which I use to bar swap.
Ha builds do make it easier for folks to attack and move for sure, but it isnt universally impossible.
Quethrosar wrote: »Agenericname wrote: »Huh? I have a normal mouse and a normal keyboard and I weave and dps while moving completely fine. Only thing I've changed is I bound barswap to one of the side buttons.
Same. My mouse has 2 side buttons, one of which I use to bar swap.
Ha builds do make it easier for folks to attack and move for sure, but it isnt universally impossible.
i would challenge you to run around like a maniac, dodging, and weaving all buttons 1 - 5.
on keyboard my left hand is on WASD. pinky on shift or ctrl, thumb on space. i can't reach up holding WASD and hit the numbers keys without contorting my hand.
BaalMelqartu wrote: »A few months ago, I made the switch and bout a gaming mouse with buttons on the side. All my abilities, including ultimate and my bar swap are now on my mouse. I also turned off directional roll dodging in game settings and rebound ONE key for dodge as I got tired of accidentally dodging when I didn't mean to and not dodging when I wanted to, no matter how many times I tweaked with the settings.
It was a rough few weeks of adjustments. Probably because I'm in my 40s and don't pick up these sort of changes as fast as I did twenty years ago. Once I was adapted to the new layout though, my survivability and ability to keep moving & dancing during combat while still using my abilities went WAY up.
The downside: it can be hard on your mouse hand. I don't know that I'll be able to maintain it 10 years from now. Hopefully! I wish I had considered the switch a year ago.
Quethrosar wrote: »Agenericname wrote: »Huh? I have a normal mouse and a normal keyboard and I weave and dps while moving completely fine. Only thing I've changed is I bound barswap to one of the side buttons.
Same. My mouse has 2 side buttons, one of which I use to bar swap.
Ha builds do make it easier for folks to attack and move for sure, but it isnt universally impossible.
i would challenge you to run around like a maniac, dodging, and weaving all buttons 1 - 5.
on keyboard my left hand is on WASD. pinky on shift or ctrl, thumb on space. i can't reach up holding WASD and hit the numbers keys without contorting my hand.
Quethrosar wrote: »So to do best dps we know we need to be able to click weapon skill and then a 1 - 5 skill or R.
I will tell you this was impossible using mouse and keyboard without a special expensive mouse. I had to buy a $90 mouse just to play good with many buttons and had to be technically literate to set it up.
I can't say with numbers what's out there, but i would assume most people have a standard 2 button mouse or one with back and forward buttons too and wheel.
If all we had to was stand still and hit 1 - 5 and left mouse button it wouldn't be as big an issue but its still an issue. As It is we need to always be moving and dodging.
This can't be done while pressing 1 - 5 at same time.
When it comes to controllers, i hate them. I bought a pc to play pc games. I did not grow up aiming on a controller. I grew up aiming a kb and mouse. I bought a pc game to play a pc game.
So again, i will not use a controller and a lot of people won't. so this again is a hardware problem.
To me the problem with ESO is you need nonstandard pc gear to play that game to potential. ESO is not accessible right now because of the bug that is animation cancelling.
HA helps this a lot without them actually fixing a bug.
So stop punishing HA people for finding a way to play without spending money on hardware.
Zodiarkslayer wrote: »Quethrosar wrote: »Agenericname wrote: »Huh? I have a normal mouse and a normal keyboard and I weave and dps while moving completely fine. Only thing I've changed is I bound barswap to one of the side buttons.
Same. My mouse has 2 side buttons, one of which I use to bar swap.
Ha builds do make it easier for folks to attack and move for sure, but it isnt universally impossible.
i would challenge you to run around like a maniac, dodging, and weaving all buttons 1 - 5.
on keyboard my left hand is on WASD. pinky on shift or ctrl, thumb on space. i can't reach up holding WASD and hit the numbers keys without contorting my hand.
I am lucky to have long enough fingers to use Q and E for side movement. Hitting 12345 is a only small movement of the fingers and takes small effort.
The standard cheap keyboard that came with the PC and a 12.99 mouse is all I need to be as good as I want to be.
And my hands do not hurt at all. 😁
That's the first time I hear about someone with this issue and I'd been playing the game for 6 years.
disintegr8 wrote: »No amount of practice will improve my DPS when it can sometimes take 2 or 3 seconds for a bar swap to actually occur. Trying to run builds with different weapons on each bar I often get the message saying the skill I just used requires x/y/z weapon to be equipped.
Lag and server performance prevent me from getting really good numbers.
MudcrabAttack wrote: »The timing for an input between skills is hard for some people to nail down, a new skill and light attack can be cast theoretically every 1.0 second. If a new skill / light attack happens every 1.5 seconds it’s like dealing 1/3rd less dps. If you really want to max out #skills per minute (and not break TOS) get a mouse with hypersensitive wheel detection in the up and down motions, and set up a spammable to the mouse wheel movement. When using the skill, roll the wheel for 1/3 - 1/2 second and it will que nearly perfectly at the next possible chance within the global cooldown. This way you don’t have to be exact with the timing of hitting the skill. It’s really helpful with channels and clunky weapon spammables. Simply rolling a mouse wheel up used to be pretty effective on a Templar with jabs. I think default settings for a mouse wheel signal input through the game is .03 seconds. It would probably work well with the new Velothi Amulet, as long as a light attack happens occasionally to build up ultimate.
For heavy attack weaving, it’s easy enough to hold down left mouse button the whole time while constantly rolling the mouse wheel with the other finger, and max out actions per minute with a skill like unstable wall of elements. The skill is automatically queued and cast within .03 seconds of the cast window
Years ago I really disliked using 1-5 number keys with the left hand, and just reassigned damage over time skills to the side buttons and the middle mouse-click wheel. Direct damage was assigned to mouse wheel up/down since I use them more frequently. I got used to left clicking and hitting a mouse button pretty efficiently, and my left hand is completely free to make the character walk, roll or sprint around and avoid damage
MudcrabAttack wrote: »The timing for an input between skills is hard for some people to nail down, a new skill and light attack can be cast theoretically every 1.0 second. If a new skill / light attack happens every 1.5 seconds it’s like dealing 1/3rd less dps. If you really want to max out #skills per minute (and not break TOS) get a mouse with hypersensitive wheel detection in the up and down motions, and set up a spammable to the mouse wheel movement. When using the skill, roll the wheel for 1/3 - 1/2 second and it will que nearly perfectly at the next possible chance within the global cooldown. This way you don’t have to be exact with the timing of hitting the skill. It’s really helpful with channels and clunky weapon spammables. Simply rolling a mouse wheel up used to be pretty effective on a Templar with jabs. I think default settings for a mouse wheel signal input through the game is .03 seconds. It would probably work well with the new Velothi Amulet, as long as a light attack happens occasionally to build up ultimate.
For heavy attack weaving, it’s easy enough to hold down left mouse button the whole time while constantly rolling the mouse wheel with the other finger, and max out actions per minute with a skill like unstable wall of elements. The skill is automatically queued and cast within .03 seconds of the cast window
Years ago I really disliked using 1-5 number keys with the left hand, and just reassigned damage over time skills to the side buttons and the middle mouse-click wheel. Direct damage was assigned to mouse wheel up/down since I use them more frequently. I got used to left clicking and hitting a mouse button pretty efficiently, and my left hand is completely free to make the character walk, roll or sprint around and avoid damage
perfect example of how combat is determined not by player skill but rather player equipment. ESO should really just open the flood gates and say use what ever equipment you want to play the game.