Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

- One time, some one had an addon that was showing who is doing what kind of dmg. Both DPS were total trash. I was a tank, so it was extremely tedious to tank that one boss for 30 min (a mini boss that should be killed within max 5 minutes). Now here is the worst part. Remember how I said that both DPS were trash and how they had an add-on showing who does what dmg ? Well, it turned out that me (a tank) was pulling the highest numbers (around 15K). So... of course it meant I was a "fake tank" and of course that meant I was kicked by 2 dps...

Just maybe it was because you are calling people "trash" and something tells me that you behaved prety bad - so the kick was 100% justified and I guess its a good thing for everyone that you stopped doing group content...

Btw. I think you dont know what DPS means, it means damage per second and is a metric. If you mean the role then it is called damage dealler or DD (even shorter than DPS).

Its like saying kmh (kilometers per hour) instead of racing car 🤣...

Delve or Dungeon? If grouped in a dungeon, I dont care who kills what, i still get loot and experience.

Delves, at this point in the game, someone clearing out the trash is a good thing.

KilianDermoth wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

Just to let you know, "dps" as a role name for damager is a usual thing on NA server.
I play on both PC EU and PC NA time to time.
I write "dps here" or "x" to get a group invite on NA.
I write "+dd" or "+" to get the same on EU.
It's a matter of how people say and get it, not how it is more or less correct. People say things different in different places, and it is OK.

So you would start saying kmh to racing cars if many other people who probably don't know better would do so too 🤣?

I wouldn't and it would be as intelligent as calling the damage dealer role DPS...

Even in your own example, the people who call it DPS also would likely say MPH rather than KPH. Because different places speak about things differently.

And yeah, it is known as DPS on the NA server. That's how it is, that's how it will be.

KilianDermoth wrote: »

So you would start saying kmh to racing cars if many other people who probably don't know better would do so too 🤣?

I wouldn't and it would be as intelligent as calling the damage dealer role DPS...

I would say "potato" about a trial boss, if current group got it faster than any other name.
There is a saying in my native city "Do you rather want taxi checkers or a ride?" You keep trying to ask for checkers.
I'll kindly remind you, that the real key to any group activity is finding a common language, not dictating it.

KilianDermoth wrote: »

Key elements of common language is to use the correct terms and not inventing your own terms or use terms in an absolute wrong way...

Its basically the number 1 rule and most important of all...

May the term "linguistic usus" be a part of your dictionary from now. Just to make a chance of some balance with such a heavy prescriptivism.
Anyway we fell to a deep offtopic here, which is not very intelligent from both of us

I switched to heavy attack build, on non-trial dummy i do 35k DPS. Yet in dungeons i still do only 30-40% of total damage, the other DD is always there to steal my DPS percents...

i dislike players who do more damage when they are rude and mean about me doing less damage(despite me trying to do the mechanics they don't care about)
not because of their damage but because of how rude they are.

If you've just started with playing as a dd, it's natural your dps is lower. Big deeps come with practice.

And yes, also my main DD is very much DOT based, so on some quick runs, especially on normal difficulty everything is dead when I manage to get everything down. GCD is 1 second, so laying down 7 DOTs takes 7 seconds. If a fight lasts for 5 seconds you are still laying down DOTs when it's time to move on. So for quick trash I don't really bother with all the DOTs. Just lay down one or two AOEs and then do direct damage.

The best thing to do is to practise, practise, practise.

Save your full rotation for bosses and try to do a simple and short burst damage rotation on trash.

If you run normal dungeons with pugs, you will sometimes have parse gods who are there just to get the 10 transmute crystals. I admit sometimes I also have my dps-glasses on if that's my reason being there and it's a dungeon I normally solo.

To fix this, join a guild. Easier to find nice people that way. And you can be on Discord.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I don't care what damage is done by what DPS,

Excellent!

I think those who like to kick people out of the group for silly reasons, especially if it's on normal difficulty, are people who have played a fair bit but have not yet "mastered" the game.

But being a solo player helps. I have a couple of stories where instead of arguing, just soloing the dungeon has turned a bad experience into a good one.

1. Well, in this case a bad experience into an ok one. Was leveling up one character, got to WS1. Tank and DD knew each other and were trash talking our healer. Clearly a new player and yes, did many mistakes. I tried to say let's just keep going, we'll get through this. They kept trash talking and even initiated vote to kick. I told them come on, you two have so high CP either of you should be able to solo this. I solo this on my CP-level characters. Their response was "you solo nothing". So I just ignored them and went on by myself. They caught up at the last boss. Surprisingly quiet in the group chat after that.

2. In nGD, queued as a healer. (Gotta get those transmutes.) One DD was under level 50. So our tank quit immediately. The DDs managed to kill the first boss -- just barely. And the triple digit DD left the group. I didn't feel like queuing again, especially because it was late and no one in my guild was online and queue times were long. I told the low level we can do this, just give me a second and I switch to my solo build. Opened the armory assistant, solo gear on and we continued. Didn't take care of my stamina so at the skeleton boss I ran out of stamina, couldn't roll and we wiped once. Rookie mistake, but oh well, happens. I just said this is going well, we can do this. After we killed the last boss they were excited since they got a trophy. I said yeah, this is one of the new ones and a bit tricky, especially on veteran. Glad you got it. They said no no, I don't understand, it's the first DLC trophy for them. That was their first character, first dungeon since eligible for DLC dungeons. So I dumped all my extra loot to them and we talked a bit and I gave some tips and tricks.

I try to be the player I would have liked to see in a group when I was new. And I hope the healer from the first story and the dd from the second story got new hope and hopefully when they are more comfortable in this game they do the same to some other player.