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Let's be honest: the two bars gamedesign was a mistake
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boi_anachronism_✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I love 2 bar. It creates build diversity, allows more skills to be used, it creates dynamic game play and lets me use 2 different weapon set ups. Also what is with the console vs PC stuff. I literally do not understand.2 -
Beilin_Balreis_Colcan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭isadoraisacat wrote: »It’s ok they already nerfed heavy attacks I guess the elitists are more important than us solo players who want a more relaxed experience.StarOfElyon wrote: »I'm one of those who believe reward should be proportional to effort.
I think the game (and this forum) would be so much nicer if people would stop attacking other people's playing styles. ZOS' policy is to encourage players to play the way they want, but sometimes I wonder if that's really the prevailing attitude on this forum. I don't even feel comfortable sharing any details about my play style or equipment any more, because there's always someone on the forum ready with negative commentary.Edited by Beilin_Balreis_Colcan on 18 April 2023 22:12PC(Steam) / EU / play from Melbourne, Australia / avg ping 3909 -
Mesite✭✭✭✭I recently changed to Xbox. It was cheaper than buying a new PC. ( Problems with disc space available.)
It looks and works better for me anyway.
I tried oakensoul and it's so limiting. For sorcerers with pets 2 bars work better for me.0 -
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✭✭I know some people have issues with ESO combat feeling clunky but it’s actually my favourite aspect of the game. So let’s be honest, everybody is different.0 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think it's a brilliant system, it allows to make very creative builds, not only on the combat style of things, but in any playstyle that you want to build around, including farming, thieving and so on. I still lament the loss of the Overload third bar, that was a really cool design, and made the class very special. It's not just the use of more skills and a second weapon, it's also the choice you have to make when playing, which makes playing so much more engaging, and that's self-evident anytime you use your skills. The thing is OP if you don't like the system you don't have to use it, even before the Oakensoul mythic there were easy-sorc builds that used minimal skills, and now you can complete full trifectas without a single bar, so why the need to take what makes combat so diversive, interesting, and unique away... ESO is its combat system, but a very vocal part has been trying to chip it away for years, which resulted in the homogenization of classes and an increasing oversimplification of combat. I wonder if writs are the only thing left, people will finally be happy.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have no problem with two bars of 5 keys each for skills. My problem is that I HATE micromanaging a whole bar of buffs that last typically from 8 to 30 seconds. Oakensoul is one very good answer. Another very good answer would be to push buff durations out to a longer period of time (like 60 seconds minimum).PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo0 -
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✭✭Nah, I completely disagree. Also, you do realize people use controllers on PC as well too? So your logic is quite flawed.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I play on PC, even have a mouse with 12 buttons on it, but absolutely love the 5 skills and a ultimate on each bar.
My fingers don't have to dance across an entire keyboard, I can map the extra buttons on my mouse to auto run, mounting, bar swapping, potions, etc, and I have to think about what abilities and weapons I want.
Removing bar swapping is a bad idea in my opinion, and if I wanted to have a million abilities able to be used at any time I would play an MMO that has such a system. I personally hated Star Trek Online's combat system where I had about 4 lines of 10 powers, and I spent more time looking at my ability tray than actually playing the game.Edited by Vevvev on 23 April 2023 18:20PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I hate bar swapping and don't use the back bar on any but one character because of it. Which is probably why I rarely play that character.PCNA3 -
Mr_Jord_Joe✭✭✭If the game only had one bar someone would say, ''Let's be honest: the one bars gamedesign was a mistake''!
Solving your ''problem'', just use Oakensoul, have fun!1 -
Auldwulfe✭✭✭✭✭
✭I play on PC, even have a mouse with 12 buttons on it, but absolutely love the 5 skills and a ultimate on each bar.
My fingers don't have to dance across an entire keyboard, I can map the extra buttons on my mouse to auto run, mounting, bar swapping, potions, etc, and I have to think about what abilities and weapons I want.
Removing bar swapping is a bad idea in my opinion, and if I wanted to have a million abilities able to be used at any time I would play an MMO that has such a system. I personally hated Star Trek Online's combat system where I had about 4 lines of 10 powers, and I spent more time looking at my ability tray than actually playing the game.
Sadly, with 2 bars, people are doing just that... staring at their bars to keep the buffs up, instead of actually playing the game.... the Devs already made comments about it prior to U35.... and listed it as one of the reasons for U35.
Honestly, I see the Arcanist being a new feature... they have a skill that stays in effect, even if on the backbar ...... and we already have skills that stay up, like DOTS when you swap bars... and others, like pets, that drop instantly.......
So, here we go ..... will the Arcanist be the new flagship of ideas... that will then filter to the other classes... or will the Sorc be the flagship, as the idea of DOTs and HOTs dropping, instantly, when the bar swapped has also been floated.... especially with PVP people complaining about Ball Groups.......
We'll get to see, soon, I guess ....
Auldwulfe
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nerevoryn✭✭Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »Solving your ''problem'', just use Oakensoul, have fun!
Oakensoul removes 6 skills from the rotation.
The number of abilities isn't what sucks, it's having to switch between bars that's clunky. Throw me 40 skills at once, I wouldn't care, but switching bars feels pretty bad, personally, I always felt like it's interrupting the flow of my rotation rather than being a part of it.PCNA. Just mer.2 -
Mr_Jord_Joe✭✭✭Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »Solving your ''problem'', just use Oakensoul, have fun!
Oakensoul removes 6 skills from the rotation.
The number of abilities isn't what sucks, it's having to switch between bars that's clunky. Throw me 40 skills at once, I wouldn't care, but switching bars feels pretty bad, personally, I always felt like it's interrupting the flow of my rotation rather than being a part of it.
I prefer the current system, which is pressing buttons further and further away from the usual 1-10 instead of the traditional 1-5 (Mouse click is worse for rotations because of light attacks), it would be a problem to have only one type of weapon... And I find it difficult for ZoS to adapt certain things, like this, for gamers, like accessibility, but i agree on one thing, the swamp bar should be a bit faster.0 -
Ajaxandriel✭✭✭✭✭Mr_Jord_Joe wrote: »Solving your ''problem'', just use Oakensoul, have fun!
Oakensoul removes 6 skills from the rotation.
The number of abilities isn't what sucks, it's having to switch between bars that's clunky. Throw me 40 skills at once, I wouldn't care, but switching bars feels pretty bad, personally, I always felt like it's interrupting the flow of my rotation rather than being a part of it.
Thanks this is exactly the pointTESO:Triskelion - forum RP, guilde francophoneAjaxandriel - haut-elfe gardien 50 ;Altarya - haute-elfe templière 50 ;Angelith - elfe des bois gardienne 50 ;Antarius Scorpio - impérial chevalier-dragon 50 ;Artémidore de Corbeaulieu - bréton lame noire 50 ;Azothos Sadras - elfe noir sorcier 50 ;Celestras - haut-elfe sorcier 50 ;Diluviatar - elfe des mers sorcier 50 ;Dorguldun gro-Arash - orque sorcier 50 ;Hjarnar - nordique sorcier 50 ;Jendaya al-Gilane - rougegarde chevalier-dragon 50 ;Sabbathnazar Ullikummi - elfe noir chevalier-dragon 50 ;Selvaryn Virotès - elfe noire lame noire 50 ;Tahajmi - khajiit sorcière 50 ;Telernil - haut-elfe templier 50 ;Zadzadak - gobelin nécromancien 50 ;Zandoga - rougegarde chevalier-dragon 500 -
WetYoda✭✭The development effort to allow players to toggle between the current bar-swapping mechanism and a multi-bar-many-buttons configuration should be relatively low.
It's likely the only reason we can't have the best of both worlds is that the bar-swapping mechanism is some Zenimax designer's "vision" of what the game should be like -- no matter what customers want.PC NA - GM of Atrocious Love Letter and proud owner of an imgakin monkey1
