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Need Help with build, Maybe I was wrong about DPS

DeathStalker
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I have severe limitations with my hands. I am very vocal here about dps being too hard to achieve. I decided to actually try the sorc heavy attack build. I usually parse in my house on my Aragonian parse dummy. I decided to try on the current test server but with my 1199 CP, not the 3600 that will be listed on the pics. On the Aragonian parse dummy, I did around 22k dps. Feeling justified once again that 100k is unreachable and too hard, I decided to go try on the trial parse dummy just so I could say I did and it didn't work. Well...It did work, kinda. Just under 60k dps. What can I say other than I was wrong. The screenshots are below. Any help would be appreciated. It says 3600 CP but only the 1199 I have on live are allocated.

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  • fred4
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    So you're looking for help with ...?

    Trial dummies give you a ton of buffs and there are debuffs on the dummy, as though you were with an organised group providing those sort of things. Expect double the parse values as a result, or even more as in in your case. When people quote parse results, they always quote trial dummy results.

    Just short of 60K is what I get with a heavy attack build doing nothing much else. I do about the same with a regular magplar build, maybe 70K at most. I'm not sure you're meant to reach 100K with heavy attack builds. Maybe 90K is realistic. Don't forget heavy attacks are slightly nerfed on the PTS.

    At any rate, whatever magic it takes to reach the higher values, I don't have it, but no doubt someone else will chime in. You presumably still need a decent rotation, even if it's a simple one with Oakensoul. Don't bring the wrong skills. You probably have full penetration on the dummy already and you have Minor Force from Oakensoul already.
  • Soarora
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    Are you using food? I assume oakensorcs are mag and HA scales like a spammable so use max mag food for some spell damage. Also re-enchant all your body pieces with max magicka and enchant your jewelry (if you can, have them be bloodthirsty) with spell damage. Enchant your staff with something else. Not sure if berserker (more spell/weapon damage), flame, or lightning is the play. Instead of reaving blows use whatever the more HA damage cp is. Should help.
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  • Shepoffire
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    Soarora wrote: »
    Are you using food? I assume oakensorcs are mag and HA scales like a spammable so use max mag food for some spell damage. Also re-enchant all your body pieces with max magicka and enchant your jewelry (if you can, have them be bloodthirsty) with spell damage. Enchant your staff with something else. Not sure if berserker (more spell/weapon damage), flame, or lightning is the play. Instead of reaving blows use whatever the more HA damage cp is. Should help.

    Doesn't matter what you stack into. Honestly I stack into Stam. And run the crown tri food. Eazy 95k on live. I'll still be able to hit 90k after the patch in the current state of pts
  • Jeshugan
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    Hello boss o/

    I'm not familiar with the ha sorc build you are ruinning but can indeed see a few tweaks in your gear would be needed AND helpful to get higher dps :)

    Like previously mentionned a few of your enchantments should be changed:
    - body pieces: stamina enchants > magicka
    - frontbar light staff: poison enchant damage
    - jewelry enchants: spell power damage all 3
    - jewelry traits: should be bloodthristy (i'm guessing you are running healthy to be able to survive more, but dps'ing things faster means they will very little time to hurt you ;)
    - Head set piece: illambris not doing anything special for you, should be replaced by a 1piece crit set (slimecraw)

    Also tweaks should be made on champions points.

    Just checked a guide, and here's a screenshot of the build specs:
    https://hhw78s6j.twic.pics/adad_30d1a0823a.JPG

    Dont let it get you down boss, making a build can be a bit challenging, mistakes happens :) i made quite a few during my time, wasting money and ressources, but even tho, learned quite a bit from those mistakes and was always able to improve in the end with the help of guides and community :)

    I expect your dps will really improve with those changes and considering your ability maybe you wont the top score of 100k, but i expect something like 70K, maybe even 75/80k which is more than enough to run a lot of vet content if you wish to do so!

    The jewelry stats are really impeding your dps, i'd start there, the rest is minor tweaks thankfully ^^

    If you need any help, please contact, i'd be happy to help in any way i can to get you where you want ;)






  • Jeshugan
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    From my previous comment above,

    Just realised you made this on pts?? so changing it again dont cost you anything on pts right?

    Make the changes boss and go at it again!!

    ;)
  • INM
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    Jeshugan wrote: »
    - jewelry traits: should be bloodthristy (i'm guessing you are running healthy to be able to survive more, but dps'ing things faster means they will very little time to hurt you ;)

    It's just default traits and enchantments, for some reasons people can copy sets and skills, but can't copy enchantments and traits. It happens too often to be coincidence.
  • DeathStalker
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    Jeshugan wrote: »
    Hello boss o/
    If you need any help, please contact, i'd be happy to help in any way i can to get you where you want ;)

    Thanks for all the advice
  • Jeshugan
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    @OP

    Hope it helps, let us know how it goes yeah, so we can improve if there's room for it and let more people know it works and encourage those who might benefit from this :)

    Good day
  • Soarora
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    INM wrote: »
    Jeshugan wrote: »
    - jewelry traits: should be bloodthristy (i'm guessing you are running healthy to be able to survive more, but dps'ing things faster means they will very little time to hurt you ;)

    It's just default traits and enchantments, for some reasons people can copy sets and skills, but can't copy enchantments and traits. It happens too often to be coincidence.

    I think people just don’t notice or remember or know how to change them. I’ve made plenty of builds and still forget to enchant things sometimes and often am missing some combination of passives, cp, attributes, or mundus. Oops.
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  • jaws343
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    A few notes that I think might help.

    I know with that setup, and just holding light attack, you should be able to break 70K. That could be your CP level holding that part back a bit. So, it may come with time rather than anything being done wrong.

    I'd replace Wall of Elements with Hurricane.

    And then, the trick I found to make this work best, and I saw some others mention it elsewhere, is to basically hold down the heavy attack 100% of the time. When your skills fall off, hit the button to activate the skill, but keep the heavy attack held. This will queue the skill up, and the moment the heavy attack ends, and then the moment the skill ends, the heavy attack will reconnect.

    Don't queue two skills on the same heavy attack. It is ok if a skill falls off for a second or two, the heavy attacks should be your priority. It is almost the opposite of Light attack weaving. You are essentially skill weaving between heavy attacks.

    Matriarch is also a bit of a DPS loss, since it's active skill is healing. I hit 87K on live with that gear set up, Crit surge, and Tormentor. So, definitely stick with Matriarch if it feels comfortable, but it will be a DPS loss since you are unable to activate it for more damage at higher boss health.
  • DeathStalker
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    Soarora wrote: »
    INM wrote: »
    Jeshugan wrote: »
    - jewelry traits: should be bloodthristy (i'm guessing you are running healthy to be able to survive more, but dps'ing things faster means they will very little time to hurt you ;)

    It's just default traits and enchantments, for some reasons people can copy sets and skills, but can't copy enchantments and traits. It happens too often to be coincidence.

    I think people just don’t notice or remember or know how to change them. I’ve made plenty of builds and still forget to enchant things sometimes and often am missing some combination of passives, cp, attributes, or mundus. Oops.

    To be honest with you, I feel so intimated by high dps it just never occurred to me to change all that. Sad I know
  • DeathStalker
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    jaws343 wrote: »
    I'd replace Wall of Elements with Hurricane.

    Will give it a try
  • BaalMelqartu
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    jaws343 wrote: »
    A few notes that I think might help.

    I know with that setup, and just holding light attack, you should be able to break 70K. That could be your CP level holding that part back a bit. So, it may come with time rather than anything being done wrong.

    I'd replace Wall of Elements with Hurricane.

    And then, the trick I found to make this work best, and I saw some others mention it elsewhere, is to basically hold down the heavy attack 100% of the time. When your skills fall off, hit the button to activate the skill, but keep the heavy attack held. This will queue the skill up, and the moment the heavy attack ends, and then the moment the skill ends, the heavy attack will reconnect.

    Don't queue two skills on the same heavy attack. It is ok if a skill falls off for a second or two, the heavy attacks should be your priority. It is almost the opposite of Light attack weaving. You are essentially skill weaving between heavy attacks.

    Matriarch is also a bit of a DPS loss, since it's active skill is healing. I hit 87K on live with that gear set up, Crit surge, and Tormentor. So, definitely stick with Matriarch if it feels comfortable, but it will be a DPS loss since you are unable to activate it for more damage at higher boss health.

    -When I was last tweaking my Sorc heavy attack build, I swapped Wall of Storms out for Hurricane and did some parsing. Despite what Deltia said in his video, I absolutely could NOT get off balance to proc with Hurricane. I STILL use hurricane and try to keep as many baddies inside of it's effect as possible to maximize DPS but I also use Wall of Storms and was able to start knocking things off balance again. I changed the trait on my lightning staff to Charged and was even better at knocking things off balance.

    -To the OP: it looks like you're using Worms Raiment set. I'd swap that out for something that boosts heavy attacks.
    -Make sure you're keeping your finger down on the heavy attack button and while keeping it down, queue an ability about halfway through the heavy attack. Since you're using pets and have it slotted, always prioritize Daedric Prey. Don't renew it TOO soon or you waste the last explosion it does. Wait for it to end and then it should be your number one priority next queued ability.
  • jaws343
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    jaws343 wrote: »
    A few notes that I think might help.

    I know with that setup, and just holding light attack, you should be able to break 70K. That could be your CP level holding that part back a bit. So, it may come with time rather than anything being done wrong.

    I'd replace Wall of Elements with Hurricane.

    And then, the trick I found to make this work best, and I saw some others mention it elsewhere, is to basically hold down the heavy attack 100% of the time. When your skills fall off, hit the button to activate the skill, but keep the heavy attack held. This will queue the skill up, and the moment the heavy attack ends, and then the moment the skill ends, the heavy attack will reconnect.

    Don't queue two skills on the same heavy attack. It is ok if a skill falls off for a second or two, the heavy attacks should be your priority. It is almost the opposite of Light attack weaving. You are essentially skill weaving between heavy attacks.

    Matriarch is also a bit of a DPS loss, since it's active skill is healing. I hit 87K on live with that gear set up, Crit surge, and Tormentor. So, definitely stick with Matriarch if it feels comfortable, but it will be a DPS loss since you are unable to activate it for more damage at higher boss health.

    -When I was last tweaking my Sorc heavy attack build, I swapped Wall of Storms out for Hurricane and did some parsing. Despite what Deltia said in his video, I absolutely could NOT get off balance to proc with Hurricane. I STILL use hurricane and try to keep as many baddies inside of it's effect as possible to maximize DPS but I also use Wall of Storms and was able to start knocking things off balance again. I changed the trait on my lightning staff to Charged and was even better at knocking things off balance.

    -To the OP: it looks like you're using Worms Raiment set. I'd swap that out for something that boosts heavy attacks.
    -Make sure you're keeping your finger down on the heavy attack button and while keeping it down, queue an ability about halfway through the heavy attack. Since you're using pets and have it slotted, always prioritize Daedric Prey. Don't renew it TOO soon or you waste the last explosion it does. Wait for it to end and then it should be your number one priority next queued ability.

    I actually recommend Hurricane for the duration. It gives you at least 5 more seconds (depending on the WoE morph) of not needing to recast a skill, which is 5 more seconds that can be used for heavy attacks. Makes the rotation a bit easier and still hits fairly hard.
  • BaalMelqartu
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    I love hurricane and it upped my DPS a lot when I started getting adept at always making sure I am standing where I can maximize the amount of foes inside it so no disagreement here! I never once knocked anything off balance with hurricane + heavy lightning attack though. Since I like to use the exploiter CP slottable, I feel I NEED to do as much as possible to ensure I am reliably getting my target off balance.
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