Problems is consoles don't has as many buttons. Played on 3/4 bars in Hogwarts Legacy, mostly confusing in how the swap worked and it only had 4 skills on bar.
Lots of pc players use gamepads.
I use an Naga MMO mouse but the lower buttons is to hard to reach for practical use in combat.

Who is "we"? Certainly not me. It's not hard to wrap your head around there being 2 layers to keys 1-5.

Yeah, FF14 does it just fine.

Plus I sometimes use a gamepad as I'm on a waiting list for carpal tunnel for both hands and it's a bit less painful sometimes.

[snip] Consoles are cheaper. TV screens are bigger. People have kids and families they share with. Computers are both overly complicated and expensive and have all these parts and addins

I just want to buy a device plug it in and launch my game on my 75 inch TV while laying on my couch with my [snip] and some snacks and play Elder Scrolls.

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Ajaxandriel wrote: »

We just want to play with one friggin' line of keybinds
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 ° +

Please speak for yourself. I basically have miniature hands, I'm happy I can do the 1-5. 6+ would be a stretch and using the whole row in proper combat would not work for me. Even with my girly sized keyboard.

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Who is "we"? Certainly not me. It's not hard to wrap your head around there being 2 layers to keys 1-5.

Agree, as you can play with multiple weapons and swap if needed.
Running two destro or destoro an restoration staff goes back at launch.
Or healing FG2 then it was only FG2, other guy was running destro / resto as an DD.
Still a thing but now more in vet dlc.

Lebkuchen wrote: »

Speak for yourself. PC elitism and scapegoating is old and boring. False claims about "the main player base" and threats to leave the game are boring too. If you can't manage to stay calm in "the fire of action" then maybe an oakensoul heavy attack build would be a good fit for you...

I do speak for myself so have you a problem with this opinion? explain how.

"Oakensoul" build is precisely "boring" and poor gameplay, and should be removed totally in my opinion because it levels the richness of the game to a lower stage. My suggestion remains better - for PC players.

You hate it, we love it. Same as usual, nothing changes. You can still go one bar if so pleased, it's pulling more than enough for anyone's needs. If you wish for whole different mmo ability bar there are other games on a market, but this one just isn't it.

Ajaxandriel wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Problems is consoles don't has as many buttons.

Not a problem on PC.
Plus, PC and console players do not interact at any moment so there's no risk of unfair competition between a two-bar-system for console and one-bar-system for PC.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Well I find that combative.

Take it with a grain of salt - i genuinely ask myself how the console players don't feel "trapped" there after all this time, no add-ons, later chapter releases, all the more knowing the PCs can be replaced easily by any other PC while console continuity is more...unsettled, idk

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

This is an elitist tunnel vision response. Consoles are cheaper. TV screens are bigger. People have kids and families they share with. Computers are both overly complicated and expensive and have all these parts and addins

I see your point
(Strangely from my p.o.v. the console seem more elitist as it's a dedicated device but I guess this debate has been lasting for decades since the 90s )

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

I don't agree - for me it's easier to manage keys when they are not at whole keyboard. Now I swap bars with clicking mouse roll, 4th and 5th skill I have on mouse side buttons, 1,,2 and 3 use on keyboard normally. This gives me freedom to play without looking at keyboard at all, which is kinda important with dynamic combat and light attacking veawing. I can't imagine it with skills at 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 ° + How I can know where is 6 or 7 without looking at keyboard? For me even 1-5 was clumsy and hard, so I bought mouse with side buttons to make my life easier.

I gave a mere exemple, you would get the same with
F1 - F2 - F3 - F4 - F5 - F6
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6

My problem is having this:

1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6
switch
wait for gcd
verify your switch passed well
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 -6

The mouse roll button is a good idea but I'm too much into zoom/dezoom camera habits, and there's still the problem of swtich+wait+check before being able to play...

To point 1:
This would require ZOS to essentially build two versions of the game, with difference balances among sets and skills and classes. Because one environment without a core mechanic would function entirely different.

So it would hurt console, and probably PC as well, because dev time would be wasted balances to entirely different versions of the game.

Point 2/3:
I find it incredibly sad that players need to crutch on player made add-ons to find enjoyment in the game. I enjoy the game just fine as the developers built and intended it to play.

PCs are also expensive, and you will never know when/if you will need to upgrade it or components of it, to keep up with gaming tech. Consoles are locked in, meaning developers have to build to their specs or miss the audience. Which means that I have no risk that a game will come out that my system cannot play. And console generations are normally at least half a decade or more apart.

As to elitism, PC's by their very nature of customization, require a player to either have the best or be left behind by the players who do. The best hardware, the best accessories. Console is a far more even playing field, and a far lower barrier of entrance. Nearly everything about consoles is a push against elitism in gaming, even if they have their own rivalries between the types.

Strong disagree to OP. Please speak for yourself only.

It's great to being able to use two different types of weapons, staff+melee, S&B+staff, resto+two-handed etc. This makes my chars way more versatile, I can adapt to different situations much more easily.

I'm happy to have this possibility.

The entire combat system is designed around two bars. It adds versatility to builds and makes combat more dynamic. Also, not sure how being in 2023 means 2-bar systems are outdated, considering games like New World are still coming out using the two-bar system.