olsborg wrote: »

This is ofcourse just the early build that skinnycheeks got to test, but dear ZOS, stamsorcs does not need more dmg in pvp and certainly not major berserk, hell they dont even need minor berserk, but if you keep the buff on this skill, please make it so dark conversion has the major buff. Magsorc needs it more.

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Soarora wrote: »

Have I been using this skill wrong? I use dark conversion on stamsorc not dark deal because I have plenty of stamina, not enough magicka (streak).

It really depends on your playstyle, the Dark Exchange morphs can be used either offensively or defensively on both Mag and Stam Sorcerer depending on what your needs are. If you need defensive sustain on a magsorc, you can run Dark Deal to get your stamina back for more doll dodging, blocking, sprinting, since those come out of your smaller resource pool, but if you need more offensive help for, say, more attacks, Dark Conversion for more magicka is better. And vice versa for stamsorc, if you need more Magicka for Streak or Ward, you'll run Dark Conversion defensively, but if you need more Stamina for attacks you'll run Dark Deal.

That said, I do think this is the right way to do these buffs, despite what some people on the fourms think, Sorc does need buffs. DK didn't need damage help at all and yet they got Major Breserk on an actual offensive skill. If anyhing, I think both versions should just get Major with maybe Dark Conversion getting both Major and Minor (since Minor is already available for Stam characters from Camo Hunter).

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

We really don't know anything until PTS on Monday. It could be low uptime. It does seem a little strange though. Sorc already has some uptime of Major Berserk from the Storm Atro, so maybe a different buff or unique % damage multiplier would be more fitting (and same on both morphs).

It's also odd to give the Major Berserk to stam sorc, which already has the ability to slot Wrecking Blow for high uptime, even when solo. Mag Sorc cannot sustain WB, and can only reach around 15-20% uptime from the ultimate and requires an ally to use the synergy.

Minor berserk is almost completely useless, given that Combat Prayer, Camo Hunter or Oakensoul already provide near 100% uptime. Stam sorc is already outperforming Mag, and this only widens that gap.

This doesn't seem intended to help Sorc in PVE, this is intended to help Sorc in PVP where it desperately needs it. Atro isn't really run in PVP, and there is no guarantee that you even get Major Berserk from your own Atro, not to mention that the Dark Exchange morphs are basically never un in PVE.
This change is taking a buff that Sorc already nominally has access to and giving a reliable way to get it for yourself. That is a good point about wrecking blow though, StamSorc already has access to Major Berserk from Wrecking Blow, so Major Berserk on Dark Deal shouldn't be "overpowered" like someone else suggested here since that buff is already available to anyone running stam that wanted it. I'm now even more convinced that it should be Major Breserk on both morphs.

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

We really don't know anything until PTS on Monday. It could be low uptime. It does seem a little strange though. Sorc already has some uptime of Major Berserk from the Storm Atro, so maybe a different buff or unique % damage multiplier would be more fitting (and same on both morphs).

It's also odd to give the Major Berserk to stam sorc, which already has the ability to slot Wrecking Blow for high uptime, even when solo. Mag Sorc cannot sustain WB, and can only reach around 15-20% uptime from the ultimate and requires an ally to use the synergy.

Minor berserk is almost completely useless, given that Combat Prayer, Camo Hunter or Oakensoul already provide near 100% uptime. Stam sorc is already outperforming Mag, and this only widens that gap.

This doesn't seem intended to help Sorc in PVE, this is intended to help Sorc in PVP where it desperately needs it. Atro isn't really run in PVP, and there is no guarantee that you even get Major Berserk from your own Atro, not to mention that the Dark Exchange morphs are basically never un in PVE.
This change is taking a buff that Sorc already nominally has access to and giving a reliable way to get it for yourself. That is a good point about wrecking blow though, StamSorc already has access to Major Berserk from Wrecking Blow, so Major Berserk on Dark Deal shouldn't be "overpowered" like someone else suggested here since that buff is already available to anyone running stam that wanted it. I'm now even more convinced that it should be Major Breserk on both morphs.

My (mostly) stam sorc is salivating at the the thought of having Major Berserk on Dark deal while using dual wield. Seriously deadly spin to win.

StaticWave wrote: »

Major Berserk on Dark Deal is a nice buff as it allows me to build for more defense in PvP, but I am still heavily reliant on sets.

My ick with the class though has always been poor survivability. The argument of mobility can no longer be used to oppose a survivability buff for stamsorc since most classes now have some form of gap close and can reach the speed cap quite easily. The mobility advantage does not exist anymore and stamsorc cannot reliably use that to its advantage.

What I would like is for stamsorc to receive more reliable Crit Surge heals or an instant cast pseudo burst heal (meaning it doesnt scale as well as a true burst heal but can still be used as a burst heal). It's long over due now.

There's a sorc passive that gives minor prophecy. I would like it if they buffed it to major prophecy.

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Major Berserk on Dark Deal is a nice buff as it allows me to build for more defense in PvP, but I am still heavily reliant on sets.

My ick with the class though has always been poor survivability. The argument of mobility can no longer be used to oppose a survivability buff for stamsorc since most classes now have some form of gap close and can reach the speed cap quite easily. The mobility advantage does not exist anymore and stamsorc cannot reliably use that to its advantage.

What I would like is for stamsorc to receive more reliable Crit Surge heals or an instant cast pseudo burst heal (meaning it doesnt scale as well as a true burst heal but can still be used as a burst heal). It's long over due now.

There's a sorc passive that gives minor prophecy. I would like it if they buffed it to major prophecy.

leave the minor prophecy in place as a self + group buff, but make it also grant major to self for a shorter duration. Something like minor to self + group for 15 seconds, major to self only for 7 seconds.

Wonder what @StaticWave thinks about this

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Not an expert on this, but is Dark Exchange & morphs really a skill that should be changed / buffed in a 1st place ?

It kinda looks to me as it may be very similar case as it was with NB's Veiled Strike. They buffed one morph, but whoops, we have to buff the other one too as one will be clearly better... so they buffed a skill that did not needed it, but Consuming Darkness is still (probably) the worst ulti in the game lol.

Yea Consuming Darkness (Veil of Blades) went from being great back in the day, to now be totally useless for its cost, 200 ulti for a mere 10% dmg reduction on that small area even if it follows caster after leaving area, not worth much imo. And ppl dont stand in aoe anymore, even if veil of blades aoe is weak

StaticWave wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Major Berserk on Dark Deal is a nice buff as it allows me to build for more defense in PvP, but I am still heavily reliant on sets.

My ick with the class though has always been poor survivability. The argument of mobility can no longer be used to oppose a survivability buff for stamsorc since most classes now have some form of gap close and can reach the speed cap quite easily. The mobility advantage does not exist anymore and stamsorc cannot reliably use that to its advantage.

What I would like is for stamsorc to receive more reliable Crit Surge heals or an instant cast pseudo burst heal (meaning it doesnt scale as well as a true burst heal but can still be used as a burst heal). It's long over due now.

There's a sorc passive that gives minor prophecy. I would like it if they buffed it to major prophecy.

leave the minor prophecy in place as a self + group buff, but make it also grant major to self for a shorter duration. Something like minor to self + group for 15 seconds, major to self only for 7 seconds.

@gariondavey @Turtle_Bot

Doubt they would do that on a passive. They could probably put that on one of the existing abilities. Maybe Rune Prison?

Probably not, I don't think that rune cage would be the way to go for the crit buff though, sorc is already struggling hard for bar space and this would just add to that issue and isn't what rune prison needs to see use again.

To make rune prison better, it doesn't need a buff/debuff added to it, imo what it needs is to reduce the delay to 1 second instead of the current 3 seconds and make it deal its damage even if they avoid/immune to the stun (that way it still applies some pressure on the enemies stamina/health pool to lower the amount of available dodge rolls they can continuously do) and have defensive rune grant a small heal (2k after battle spirit is applied) if it procs/ends early/is recast and a bigger heal (7k or more after battle spirit is applied), if it doesn't proc/end early but just naturally ends after its full duration (it is a 1 or 2 minute wait for this to proc so could be much bigger).

If it was going to be on a slotted ability, imo it should be curse (10-15s duration on cast), BA (part of the passive effect) or lightning form/hurricane (same duration as major resolve).
- If curse, it updates our delayed burst to not be completely countered by purge/netch/maras and still provide something for us if it does get cleansed
- If BA (aegis and armaments) it allows us to not be forced to choose between BA for daedric passives and guild skills for major crit chance allowing us to essentially run both BA + guild skill of choice.
- If lightning form/hurricane, it gives us a reason to try and slot our source of major resolve again instead of going chudan all the time to free up the needed bar space which opens up a lot more options for monster sets and other builds.

Best option from these 3 imo is the armor buff since armor buff will help proc crit surge when in melee range giving sorc some ability to survive constant high pressure for a little bit longer (maybe finally allow a melee sorc build to exist beyond maras + masters DW).

I'd prefer the skills be instant cast rather than get berserk, tbh.

But for a 1s cast time, the buff should last the duration of the resource return.

Even that won't bring the class even close to the top tier classes - DK, NB, Warden.

FYI beserk on a either morph is useless in PVE.