PvP Targeting Help (stupid Dwarven Sphere)

Zama666 · February 2023

So I ran into this impossible to kill player. My main issue is they had a Dwarven Sphere and all my ranged attack kept hitting it. My Lightning staff was almost completely ineffective and not sure how many of those <insert vulgarity> Spheres I killed. They would get low in HP, I'd fire Radiant Glory - hit the Sphere. By the time I hit the player, 100% healed.
Then there were two of trying to kill this <insert vulgarity> player at a resource with the guards on our side. This dood managed to kill them all and both of us....and barely got scratched.

I am pretty sure I would have had them had my ranged hit them, they would be deader faster...

So help on PvP combat 1v1 and how to target ranged abilities.
Is there a setting.
Or do I just suck?

Tanks,

Z

OBJnoob · February 2023

Hahahahahahahaha. No, you don't suck, most people have this same problem. The answer is "tab targeting" but you're on PC I believe so someone else will have to tell you how.

It's honestly been a problem for a LONG time. If not engine guardians then sorc pets. What the game really needs to do is just make crap like this untargetable. For every sorc complaining "aw man the matriarch dies so easily," there's another player saying "well, I didn't WANT to hit your stupid matriarch."

I will say though if the guy took the resource AND killed you all then he was probably pretty good and deserves credit for that. But in the future you should try tab targeting the guy. You'll still have to aim, but if two targets are visually on top of each other then you'll hit the one you have tab targeted.

Also, a different form of advice, you can also bash the engine guardian to interrupt the resource return.

Considering the 1pc bonus is health recovery and you don't get to choose which of the 3 resources is returned to you at any given proc... It isn't even really a very good monster set. The problem you experienced happens to be the main reason people use it. So no, you are not alone.

Luede · February 2023

i am not sure what tab targeting is supposed to do. if the sphere is in the way, your highlight target is of no use, you hit the sphere.

sharquez · February 2023

Tab targeting does nothing but highlight the enemy you want to target. It still wont stop the mile wide hitbox of DS or any other pet from taking priority,

MEBengalsFan2001 · February 2023

OBJnoob wrote: »

Hahahahahahahaha. No, you don't suck, most people have this same problem. The answer is "tab targeting" but you're on PC I believe so someone else will have to tell you how.

It's honestly been a problem for a LONG time. If not engine guardians then sorc pets. What the game really needs to do is just make crap like this untargetable. For every sorc complaining "aw man the matriarch dies so easily," there's another player saying "well, I didn't WANT to hit your stupid matriarch."

I will say though if the guy took the resource AND killed you all then he was probably pretty good and deserves credit for that. But in the future you should try tab targeting the guy. You'll still have to aim, but if two targets are visually on top of each other then you'll hit the one you have tab targeted.

Also, a different form of advice, you can also bash the engine guardian to interrupt the resource return.

Considering the 1pc bonus is health recovery and you don't get to choose which of the 3 resources is returned to you at any given proc... It isn't even really a very good monster set. The problem you experienced happens to be the main reason people use it. So no, you are not alone.

Killing a sorc pet reduces the Sor health by 10%. If someone is already beating on the Sorc, killing the pet is a great way to help kill the sorc as they could lose 10% of their health and not realize it.

OBJnoob · February 2023

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

OBJnoob wrote: »

Hahahahahahahaha. No, you don't suck, most people have this same problem. The answer is "tab targeting" but you're on PC I believe so someone else will have to tell you how.

It's honestly been a problem for a LONG time. If not engine guardians then sorc pets. What the game really needs to do is just make crap like this untargetable. For every sorc complaining "aw man the matriarch dies so easily," there's another player saying "well, I didn't WANT to hit your stupid matriarch."

I will say though if the guy took the resource AND killed you all then he was probably pretty good and deserves credit for that. But in the future you should try tab targeting the guy. You'll still have to aim, but if two targets are visually on top of each other then you'll hit the one you have tab targeted.

Also, a different form of advice, you can also bash the engine guardian to interrupt the resource return.

Considering the 1pc bonus is health recovery and you don't get to choose which of the 3 resources is returned to you at any given proc... It isn't even really a very good monster set. The problem you experienced happens to be the main reason people use it. So no, you are not alone.

Killing a sorc pet reduces the Sor health by 10%. If someone is already beating on the Sorc, killing the pet is a great way to help kill the sorc as they could lose 10% of their health and not realize it.

Very cool, I hadn't really thought about that. I kill sorc pets when I can't kill the sorc otherwise... I always try to do it without killing the pet first though.

Necrotech_Master · February 2023

i like at least tagging pets with something, so it puts plaguebreak on them, and then they just become walking bombs

the same can apply to the sphere, but the sphere despawning on its own does not trigger plague explode, it has to be killed

TechMaybeHic · February 2023

Bash the sphere. It will stop moving so you can get around it, and it will stop giving them resources

kurbbie_s · February 2023

sharquez wrote: »

Tab targeting does nothing but highlight the enemy you want to target. It still wont stop the mile wide hitbox of DS or any other pet from taking priority,

actually yes it will. It will target the one you have tab targeted.

Luede · February 2023

OBJnoob wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

OBJnoob wrote: »

Hahahahahahahaha. No, you don't suck, most people have this same problem. The answer is "tab targeting" but you're on PC I believe so someone else will have to tell you how.

It's honestly been a problem for a LONG time. If not engine guardians then sorc pets. What the game really needs to do is just make crap like this untargetable. For every sorc complaining "aw man the matriarch dies so easily," there's another player saying "well, I didn't WANT to hit your stupid matriarch."

I will say though if the guy took the resource AND killed you all then he was probably pretty good and deserves credit for that. But in the future you should try tab targeting the guy. You'll still have to aim, but if two targets are visually on top of each other then you'll hit the one you have tab targeted.

Also, a different form of advice, you can also bash the engine guardian to interrupt the resource return.

Considering the 1pc bonus is health recovery and you don't get to choose which of the 3 resources is returned to you at any given proc... It isn't even really a very good monster set. The problem you experienced happens to be the main reason people use it. So no, you are not alone.

Killing a sorc pet reduces the Sor health by 10%. If someone is already beating on the Sorc, killing the pet is a great way to help kill the sorc as they could lose 10% of their health and not realize it.

Very cool, I hadn't really thought about that. I kill sorc pets when I can't kill the sorc otherwise... I always try to do it without killing the pet first though.

quite apart from the 10%, recasting has a cast time in which you can interrupt the sorc. If he notices that you have killed his pet, he will also recast the pet with top priority, otherwise he has 0 healing. if he does not notice, he will die quickly anyway.

OBJnoob · February 2023

@Luede Yes for sure. I know that. The last time the situation came up I was unable to interrupt the dang recast. It was kinda funny honestly-- you know how it's kinda hard to land melee light attacks in cyrodiil sometimes. Well I was chasing after this sorc spamming bash and just not hitting him, lol. Frustrating.

Luede · February 2023

imo u cant interrupt if he was on stun immunity CD, maybe that was the Problem. But performance suck anyway

Kartalin · February 2023

Good players are always moving, especially those with npc's that give them LOS. Tab targeting works but is a little awkward if you aren't accustomed to it.

In a BG this weekend I Leap/Whip combo'd the **** out of an Engine guardian proc. At least he wasn't get resources from it I guess lol.

Vevvev · February 2023

OBJnoob wrote: »

Hahahahahahahaha. No, you don't suck, most people have this same problem. The answer is "tab targeting" but you're on PC I believe so someone else will have to tell you how.

It's honestly been a problem for a LONG time. If not engine guardians then sorc pets. What the game really needs to do is just make crap like this untargetable. For every sorc complaining "aw man the matriarch dies so easily," there's another player saying "well, I didn't WANT to hit your stupid matriarch."

I will say though if the guy took the resource AND killed you all then he was probably pretty good and deserves credit for that. But in the future you should try tab targeting the guy. You'll still have to aim, but if two targets are visually on top of each other then you'll hit the one you have tab targeted.

Also, a different form of advice, you can also bash the engine guardian to interrupt the resource return.

Considering the 1pc bonus is health recovery and you don't get to choose which of the 3 resources is returned to you at any given proc... It isn't even really a very good monster set. The problem you experienced happens to be the main reason people use it. So no, you are not alone.

Tab by default on PC is what tab targets something.

All tab targeting does though is set the currently selected target as the priority and you still have to aim at the target.

For people with bad aim the tab targeting functionality in ESO is not as effective, but if you can keep your cursor on top of the white outline it helps a lot in ignoring pets. The attack still has to be in range though otherwise it'll go for the next closest thing it can.

SkaraMinoc · February 2023

sharquez wrote: »

Tab targeting does nothing but highlight the enemy you want to target.

Focus Target, mistakenly referred to as "tab targeting" in ESO, is a game object state that does two things.

Draws a visual border highlight around a targetable game object
Makes your player target the focused entity when it's behind other targetable game objects

In other words, "tab targeting" does not work like it does in other MMOs, namely World of Warcraft. Instead, it makes your player always target that player/npc even if something else is in front of it. This is how you attack players surrounded by pets, assuming you can initially focus them.

SkaraMinoc · February 2023

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Bash the sphere. It will stop moving so you can get around it, and it will stop giving them resources

Yes this. Many players don't realize you can simply bash the sphere to stop the channel effect. I do this all the time as a healer in PvP. Just walk up and boop, monster set useless for them

Caribou77 · February 2023

People who run Engine Guardian are 1/2 step above people who stay up in the base in BGs casting ranged garbage and never coming down.

Do they know this?

sharquez · February 2023

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

Tab targeting does nothing but highlight the enemy you want to target.

Focus Target, mistakenly referred to as "tab targeting" in ESO, is a game object state that does two things.
Draws a visual border highlight around a targetable game object

Makes your player target the focused entity when it's behind other targetable game objects

In other words, "tab targeting" does not work like it does in other MMOs, namely World of Warcraft. Instead, it makes your player always target that player/npc even if something else is in front of it. This is how you attack players surrounded by pets, assuming you can initially focus them.

I want to believe, but it has never done anything to increase my chances of hitting my highlighted target in my experience. I wouldn't be surprised if it was supposed to but wasn't working properly.

It's one thing to test it on two target dummies standing in front of one another, and a whole other thing with moving running shifting dodging players with summons and junk popping in and out of existence.