Good setting but tons of re-used assets and no overland difficulty makes this whole thing disappointing.

Enodoc wrote: »

Why is this the Telvanni Peninsula though? There is nothing Telvanni, nor Peninsular, about this region.


This is an Indoril/Temple region in lore, and isn't a peninsula.The Telvanni Peninsula is the bit to the north of where this zone ends. (A peninsula is "a piece of land that is almost entirely surrounded by water but is connected to the mainland on one side." Without the northern section, it isn't a peninsula by itself.)

If we're naming this region [House] [Geography] it would be Indoril Highlands.

Edit: Official lorebook "Great Houses of Morrowind":
Indoril District occupies the heartland of Morrowind, comprising the lands south of the Inner Sea and the eastern coast.

Everything from Mournhold up to Necrom should be Indoril.

This is also baffling the peninsula is above the region you're calling the Telvanni peninsula. I don't know what happened this year but this is a mess.

K9002 wrote: »

The stretch of land between (and including) Mournhold and Necrom was the Indoril territory, as that house had no Vvardenfell presence outside of Ordinators posted in Vivec. The Indoril grip of that territory only weakened after the Septim conquests, which means that in ESO's timeline the Indoril dominance should be indisputable. I thought inventing High Isle out of thin air was a massive blunder that would be difficult to top. But ZOS does have a knack for such suprises.

There are old design documents for TES III which featured the actual peninsula and the three nearby islands as Telvanni territory, with the capital in Port Telvannis. That whole idea was expanded upon in the Tamriel Rebuilt mod.

The design of Apocrypha is a thematic failure. One of its main strengths in Dragonborn was the labyrinthine, confusing and claustrophobic layout. It should be a network of tunnels and chambers, more dungeon-like than open world.

Might Telvanni magisters have been powerful in the area before either isolating more northward or otherwise being displaced by a stronger House Indoril presence? I could well be mistaken, but I thought not much was known about Tamriel at the time of ESO.

As for Apocrypha, could not a Daedric Prince’s realm change over time? Maybe as he hoards acquires even more books of forbidden knowledge it turns into a labyrinth!

Anyway, it looks really cool to me, but I’m going to make a point of checking out Apocrypha in the Skyrim expansion as well.

I have to say, I'm really intrigued by the story of this chapter. Apocrypha looks stunning and I can't wait to decorate my house with all of those eldritch mushrooms and glowy things.

The city of Necrom looks awesome. I wonder if we'll see some Chimer lore here.

I love that there is some similarity with Vvardenfell in this new zone. That's probably my favorite zone in ESO, aesthetically.

Since it looks like it connects to Bal Foyen, will the Telvanni zone be accessible via road through there? That would be nice. One potential way I could see is in the crater-ish area around the Dalmora wayshrine a roadway could be added heading south-south east toward the Telvanni peninsula. Another idea is a road along the coast heading east out of Dalmora past the docks.

Looking at it now it definitely seems to be more logical to put a road up through these cliffs. The map even seems to have a winding path, and there are Netches floating up ahead. I was even able to find a way to the first 'step' with a Betty Netch.

Another possible place for a road is the easternmost portion of Deshaan, south of the entrance to The Hollow Cave (which leads to that outcropping by Eidolon's Hollow) - and that way might make sense as it would be an easy route between Mournhold and Necrom.

I mean, the City of the Dead ought to have accessible highways leading to it, right?

Enodoc wrote: »

Why is this the Telvanni Peninsula though? There is nothing Telvanni, nor Peninsular, about this region.


This is an Indoril/Temple region in lore, and isn't a peninsula.The Telvanni Peninsula is the bit to the north of where this zone ends. (A peninsula is "a piece of land that is almost entirely surrounded by water but is connected to the mainland on one side." Without the northern section, it isn't a peninsula by itself.)

If we're naming this region [House] [Geography] it would be Indoril Highlands.

Edit: Official lorebook "Great Houses of Morrowind":
Indoril District occupies the heartland of Morrowind, comprising the lands south of the Inner Sea and the eastern coast.

Everything from Mournhold up to Necrom should be Indoril.

This was my first thought as well, kudos for putting it so eloquently.

I'd like to also add (as some have already said above) that I was disappointed by the lack of new interesting nature. It all looks exactly like Vvardenfell, aside from one or two mushrooms that seem to be new but honestly don't stand out much at all from the rest. Necrom looks cool and interesting though, from what we've seen of it so far.

esogamer2021 wrote: »

To he honest the only decent thing about watching this was a new class release , apart from that It’s clear that PVP will be still unplayable at peak times 😢 so it’s just another unplayable class in PVP lol

It's 3rd resource "crux" or something. Makes it sound like the class could suck in pvp.
If any of their class skills can be enhanced by consuming 3 crux, that means the skills at their base must be weaker without the crux. Sounds highly situational.

Enodoc wrote: »

Why is this the Telvanni Peninsula though? There is nothing Telvanni, nor Peninsular, about this region.

Looks like this fan-made map was a reference. 🙃
Agree with incorrect name of a geographical object — it is like to call all High Rock or a half of Hammerfell as "Peninsula". And if this territory is Peninsula, what the geographical object is northern location? A similar problem exists in Elsweyr: we have Northern Elsweyr, we have Southern Elsweyr, but there also the Reaper's March (Western Elsweyr?) and the white long spot (Nonetern Elsweyr?).
Geography is the weak point of tESO, unfortunately.

It’s a shame this game still can’t do denser forests. A mushroom and sapling forest would look really nice and differentiated from Vvardenfell. The surrounding area just looks like Vvardenfell from what I’ve seen. They could go back and add density to other areas that are supposed to be forests too like Blackwood and that area southeast of Dragon Bridge.

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Lydawobbles wrote: »

Will we get more character slots? Or do we have to delete a character to be able to be an Arcanist?

free character slot with chapter purchase

Why are we not going up to 21? That way, we can have three of every class, one for each role. What a ridiculous number to stop at!

The armory handles that for you, now.

Fata1moose wrote: »

Good setting but tons of re-used assets and no overland difficulty makes this whole thing disappointing.

Enodoc wrote: »

Why is this the Telvanni Peninsula though? There is nothing Telvanni, nor Peninsular, about this region.


This is an Indoril/Temple region in lore, and isn't a peninsula.The Telvanni Peninsula is the bit to the north of where this zone ends. (A peninsula is "a piece of land that is almost entirely surrounded by water but is connected to the mainland on one side." Without the northern section, it isn't a peninsula by itself.)

If we're naming this region [House] [Geography] it would be Indoril Highlands.

Edit: Official lorebook "Great Houses of Morrowind":
Indoril District occupies the heartland of Morrowind, comprising the lands south of the Inner Sea and the eastern coast.

Everything from Mournhold up to Necrom should be Indoril.

This is also baffling the peninsula is above the region you're calling the Telvanni peninsula. I don't know what happened this year but this is a mess.

The entire land mass east of Bal Foyen could be considered part of the peninsula that extends to the north. These things are hardly going to be scientific.

As to who controls that land in 2nd Era, it is possible Telvanni only has influence in the west. It will be interesting to see how they reconcile "Tel Dreloth" where "Amber Forest" is in the 3rd Era.

I'm not willing to spend money to find out, so I will wait for others to tell me.

Yes the whole thing is a peninsula, but as soon as you take the end off, that definition no longer holds. Someone mentioned High Rock above - the whole of Glenumbra is a peninsula, but Cambray Hills, by itself, is not. This situation is directly equivalent to Cambray Hills - the region that is labelled "Telvanni Peninsula" can't be a peninsula by itself without the northern tip.

Will be interesting to see how much, if any, of the lands here are Indoril.

The northern tip is still there and there is no reason why a peninsula can't be split between two maps.

robwolf666 wrote: »

Have to say that I'm the most excited about going back to Apocrypha, and the new class, I see a new Dark Elf being created in my near future. It kind of sounded to me like the end-of-year new feature was going to be some kind of group thing, unless I misheard/misunderstood, which wouldn't be of any real interest to me personally.

That said, it was a no brainer that I'd buy a new PvE zone(s) to explore, so pre-ordered already, .

I don't think anything at all has been said about the end-of-year feature. The group thing was the 2-man endless dungeon but that's coming out with the QOL improvements in Q3. I guess it's pretty trivial to mash a roguelike scenery and standard mob generator into the existing assets compared with writing and balancing a bespoke dungeon with unique mechanics.

That said, they haven't mentioned anything about any new playable area for Q4, so it looks more like the "big new feature" is a new core game feature, especially as it's apparently taking longer than expected to program. So potentially it could be the long-heralded spellcrafting (which would fit right in with the overall theme of the Chapter and the new class); it could be a long-overdue PvP overhaul now they've (supposedly) finished the major overhaul of the server code that should reduce lag and support higher player counts in close quarters fights such as around keeps; or it could be something radically different that nobody has predicted. Grimoires as a new weapon type? Somehow I doubt it, there's too much work to retrofit and balance against all the existing classes for not enough player satisfaction. Cavalry PvP? That would be cool, but again maybe a bit too niche. I guess we'll have to wait and see, as long as it isn't an in-game version of backgammon to sit alongside Tales of Tedium I'll take it...