Alliance health draught

dealwithitornot · November 2022

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_Gilliam Hello, I would like to draw your attention to Alliance health draught, once upon a time you greatly simplified the lives of pve players and made Alliance battle/spell draught analogues of the most popular pve potion, now it's time to do the same for pvp players, the most popular potion in pvp is a three-stat potion (which restores stamina mana and health and gives regenerations), at the moment Alliance health draught is almost useless and very situational potion, if you make it three-stat, thousands of pvp players will thank you, because now the price of crafted three-stat is incredibly high, which makes it very difficult to play pvp even for old players with a large amount of gold, and what about new players who cannot afford such a luxury, I think this will be a great gift for both pvp veterans and beginners and will greatly lower the threshold for entering pvp.

Dev1Spec · November 2022

Bump, sounds reasonable 🐱
Upd. This might also involve more people in pvp activities
Upd#2. Full stack of 3-pots ~10-13 bgs and worth around 140-150k gold

Bergzorn · November 2022

A welcome alternative would be an NPC selling alchemical ingredience for AP.

ank777 · November 2022

Yes please, Bind On Pickup 3stat potions will be good, or BOP alch resources for crafting 3stat is fine too.

Vladislav_Drakula · November 2022

Good idea. Actual ap health pots are useless

Teddi84 · November 2022

+++

m4dGLXY · November 2022

Dev1Spec wrote: »

Bump, sounds reasonable 🐱
Upd. This might also involve more people in pvp activities
Upd#2. Full stack of 3-pots ~10-13 bgs and worth around 140-150k gold

NA server price

CoachPower · November 2022

Agreed. This would be amazing.

Teddi84 · November 2022

give equal opportunities to PvP and PvE players!

Lumsdenml · November 2022

Hold on.... making stuff bought with ap in a pvp zone actually usable in pvp???? Crazy talk....

Decimus · November 2022

This would be a very nice change and it would make PvP feel a lot more rewarding (rather than punishing).

Currently making tri-pots is one of the biggest gold sinks in the game.

enChalune · November 2022

Yep, good idea.

Sidewaves89 · December 2022

Great idea. @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno considering that update 37 starting to include some pvp releated things like return of targeting system, maybe there is the chance for change like this?

MidniteOwl1913 · December 2022

Is there some reason not to just make essence of health?

The ingredients don't look particularly expensive. Personally I don't use essence of health for my DPS spell critical works better or spell power for my healer. They both use similar-level ingredients.

Bergzorn · December 2022

For tri-stat potions you need Columbine + Bugloss / Lady's Smok + Dragon Thorn / Mountain Flower. On PC/EU, this is about 300-400 gold per potion in materials. Personally, I'm using about 50 potions in a play session of few hours of PvP. It's not the worst gold sink in the game, but options to earn gold through PvP are very limited.

NordSwordnBoard · December 2022

Nothing like being immune to stuns from people who can't see you to begin with lol. Invisibility and Immovability never made sense to me.

XSTRONG · December 2022

I think craftable items in game should stay craftable, if pve players need something that costs AP or Telwar they need to go pvp same should be the other way around.

You can also buy flowers with telwar pretty cheap.

The_Titan_Tim · January 2023

This not only would help players in PvP, players that run Tanks primarily chug Tri-Pots, so this would benefit everyone, and help to encourage more players running Tanks in PvE, as they are currently extremely expensive to maintain…

Or…

They could convert these potions into a different Essence of Health, which are more in line with the whole healing aspect of them.

Restore Health,
Lingering Heal for 13 seconds,
Major Vitality for 12 seconds.

XSTRONG · January 2023

Price on Tri stat potions in traders are high because only way to get enough flowers to make sales is to farm bosses in imperial city.

tmbrinks · January 2023

XSTRONG wrote: »

Price on Tri stat potions in traders are high because only way to get enough flowers to make sales is to farm bosses in imperial city.

I rarely farm bosses in IC.

I have thousands of each of the materials (closer to 10k than 1k)

Writs are the way.

axi · January 2023

tmbrinks wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

Price on Tri stat potions in traders are high because only way to get enough flowers to make sales is to farm bosses in imperial city.

I rarely farm bosses in IC.

I have thousands of each of the materials (closer to 10k than 1k)

Writs are the way.

And how long it took You to farm that numbers? Because once during IC event I was able to farm similar numbers as Yours in 3 days of farming. Yes I got close to 10k of each flower (columbines were higher than that and corn flowers were lower) in 3 days of farming. it was during a time when there was still low lv IC and it was completly empty even during the event and on my low lv werewolf character I was able to farm over 500k tel vars per hour (almost 29k tel vars per boss which took me 1,5-2 minutes to solo kill). I got like 6M tel vars in those 3 days so as You can count I wasn't even farming that hard. Of course it's an extreme example almost impossible to recreate these days but it shows how much potential is in IC farm when it's done properly.

tmbrinks · January 2023

axi wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

Price on Tri stat potions in traders are high because only way to get enough flowers to make sales is to farm bosses in imperial city.

I rarely farm bosses in IC.

I have thousands of each of the materials (closer to 10k than 1k)

Writs are the way.

And how long it took You to farm that numbers? Because once during IC event I was able to farm similar numbers as Yours in 3 days of farming. Yes I got close to 10k of each flower (columbines were higher than that and corn flowers were lower) in 3 days of farming. it was during a time when there was still low lv IC and it was completly empty even during the event and on my low lv werewolf character I was able to farm over 500k tel vars per hour (almost 29k tel vars per boss which took me 1,5-2 minutes to solo kill). I got like 6M tel vars in those 3 days so as You can count I wasn't even farming that hard. Of course it's an extreme example almost impossible to recreate these days but it shows how much potential is in IC farm when it's done properly.

The post I replied to said it was the ONLY way to get those numbers.

I provided a counter-example to show there were other ways.

Not that I needed a description of how it's done in IC, I'm well aware.

XSTRONG · January 2023

tmbrinks wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

Price on Tri stat potions in traders are high because only way to get enough flowers to make sales is to farm bosses in imperial city.

I rarely farm bosses in IC.

I have thousands of each of the materials (closer to 10k than 1k)

Writs are the way.

Do bosses in IC for 3 days and then do daily writs for 3 days and see the diffrence

If you regulary selling tri pots you wont get enough from writs or farming flower nodes.

People in this thread dont want to farm the flowers themself but saying they are to expensive in traders.

Edit: In a good trader on ps5eu i can easily sell 30-40 stacks of tri pots every week, you cant get that much flowers from just writs and surveys every week.

tmbrinks · January 2023

XSTRONG wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

Price on Tri stat potions in traders are high because only way to get enough flowers to make sales is to farm bosses in imperial city.

I rarely farm bosses in IC.

I have thousands of each of the materials (closer to 10k than 1k)

Writs are the way.

Do bosses in IC for 3 days and then do daily writs for 3 days and see the diffrence

If you regulary selling tri pots you wont get enough from writs or farming flower nodes.

People in this thread dont want to farm the flowers themself but saying they are to expensive in traders.

Edit: In a good trader on ps5eu i can easily sell 30-40 stacks of tri pots every week, you cant get that much flowers from just writs and surveys every week.

Nowhere in my post did I say that it was "better" or "faster" than farming in IC.

The word "only" was used to describe a way of getting thousands of materials and I was just providing a counter example.

Between my 36 max writ characters, and if I actually decided to reset the survey nodes to get the mats for tri-pots... I'd be closer than you think

You have your methods, I have mine

(not to mention the sheer profit of the rest of the writs you do concurrently)

blktauna · January 2023

writs and waxed parcels keep me in pots. I generally make my own but I like the health pots just as they are. They are my emergency escapes.

Lumsdenml · January 2023

axi wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

Price on Tri stat potions in traders are high because only way to get enough flowers to make sales is to farm bosses in imperial city.

I rarely farm bosses in IC.

I have thousands of each of the materials (closer to 10k than 1k)

Writs are the way.

And how long it took You to farm that numbers? Because once during IC event I was able to farm similar numbers as Yours in 3 days of farming. Yes I got close to 10k of each flower (columbines were higher than that and corn flowers were lower) in 3 days of farming. it was during a time when there was still low lv IC and it was completly empty even during the event and on my low lv werewolf character I was able to farm over 500k tel vars per hour (almost 29k tel vars per boss which took me 1,5-2 minutes to solo kill). I got like 6M tel vars in those 3 days so as You can count I wasn't even farming that hard. Of course it's an extreme example almost impossible to recreate these days but it shows how much potential is in IC farm when it's done properly.

Hold on, how are you pulling 29k telvar per boss? Most I've received is about 7k for a boss, solo. That was not in an event, but if it were, it would be only double, putting it about 14k...

kringled_1 · January 2023

I think 29k (rounding up) is the absolute max. Double tel var event, alliance owns all 6 districts, 4x multiplier. You can definitely get up to 14k without an event stacking the other 2 but everything has to line up.