Could change the behavior of skills like radiating regen to apply the hot to 3 people at a time. Recast it? It goes to three people (new or old) and removes it from anyone your RR was still ticking on. If this was the case I'd prefer the heals go to group members only, for what it's worth.

I still think the organized groups would find a way prevail but people would have to find something else to complain about at least. "Nerf cooperation!"

I think that battle spirit is the answer to ball group balance issue in general.

If we could somehow have a condition in battle spirit, so it would detect if players are grouped and then make abilities/passives/sets certain % weaker for them, depending on how many people are in the group - then it could potentially resolve a lot of balance issues that "ball groups" are causing.

The problem in general is that Cyro right now is more like a PvP Sandbox that has mixed types of gameplay, without any type of MM as something like this is impossible to introduce. It does not feel like a competitive PvP zone.

People don't care about what happens and they don't care about the scores and who wins or who loses because the core balance issue have been ignored for far too long.

When ball group shows up (we can know that in advance because of lag spikes), then most smart players who have actual experience and they know what will happen - they just go away or stay stealthed and wait till ball group will get bored and they will go away.

^ That is how unbalanced it is. Even if you have like 30 or 40 experienced solo players - they can do nothing about 12 people who stack synergies & healing and synchro casting AOEs, causing so much lag that even ranged light attacks are getting cancelled. There is no counter for this type of playstyle.

What is odd is that every other types of playstyles in the past, as soon as they were overperforming - they got nerfed to oblivion.

I don't want to sound like this and promote any theories, but... Just think of it. The soultions are there. It is not a rocket-science.

If ZOS would care and they would want Cyro to be balanced - they would have added some kind of restrictions so that a "Ball Group" would not be unbeatable & uncounterable like they were pretty much since they started their existence.

So, it is more like ZOS is making Cyro for them. They are the target audience it seems.

I agree that HOTS and ground HOTS should be limited to 2 casts of a specific morph. For example, a player can have 2x radiating regens, 2x echoing vigors, but that player could not have 3x radiating regens and 2x echoing vigors.

While it wouldn't entirely solve the issues surrounding ball groups, it would certainly go a long way towards it and would likely reduce the server strain they cause by a good margin.

This shouldn't impact PVE either - there aren't any instances in vet trials or dungeons where you need more than two of any skill like this. I asked a few high end PVE players about that specifically when I made this suggestion over in the PTS section - they said that you wouldn't ever have more than two healers in a vet trial, and radiating/echoing wouldn't even really be used to begin with.