I want a Stibbons deck.

Achernar wrote: »

Yikes, another male patron? Seriously, please make this the Druid Queen so we can have at least a modicum of diversity among patrons (one raven aside). It's a bit ridiculous that there is not even one female patron in ToT.

This is ridiculous. Devs need to read the room, there is no reason for not having female patreons.

It's ok I guess. I love the card game but not too excited about one new deck.
In my opinion, each time they want to add something new to the card game, it should be 2 new decks to get some varity, otherwise it will be barly noticible.

I'm only hope it won't be any game broking deck like maormer...

Achernar wrote: »

Yikes, another male patron? Seriously, please make this the Druid Queen so we can have at least a modicum of diversity among patrons (one raven aside). It's a bit ridiculous that there is not even one female patron in ToT.

is this actually a real problem? i mean, it's a single tiny static picture. the druid king was already established, so that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. i'd be down to see a dark brotherhood night mother deck though i guess, but not because the patron is a woman (also a corpse yikes lol), but because it'd probably have a big focus on agents.

I'm wondering what a Druid King patron will do and what the cards will be like.

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Achernar wrote: »

Yikes, another male patron? Seriously, please make this the Druid Queen so we can have at least a modicum of diversity among patrons (one raven aside). It's a bit ridiculous that there is not even one female patron in ToT.

is this actually a real problem? i mean, it's a single tiny static picture. the druid king was already established, so that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. i'd be down to see a dark brotherhood night mother deck though i guess, but not because the patron is a woman (also a corpse yikes lol), but because it'd probably have a big focus on agents.

If you don't see a problem with 9 male patrons and 0 female patrons in a card game developed by a fantastical, egalitarian society, I don't suppose I can convince you. Any more than I can convince you that it's a problem in a video game made in the current day and marketed to male and female gamers alike.

We had a much longer discussion on it here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/613962/are-the-patrons-all-male/p1

The gist of my contribution to that discussion is that as the Lore team starts picking through the Lore from older games looking for recognizable characters to make patrons of their decks, its not surprising that they mostly chose male characters. Men are overrepresented in the older lore, for reasons to do more with the society the IRL authors lived in than Tamriel. That means that, assuming the Lore and Tales team wants to create a card game representative of the more egalitarian societies of Tamriel, they are going to have to look at creating, and then choosing, more women to be patrons.

I don't know enough about High Isle's story to know if the Druid King is a character created specifically for ESO, and thus if he could have been a Druid Queen without any trouble.

I do know that of the original 8 male patrons, Delmene Hlaalu was created specifically for ESO. So even when the Lore team made a new character just for Tales of Tribute, they made him a man.

I also know that ZOS has publicly noted that people want more male companions when people complained about getting 3 women and 1 man.

So I expect that ZOS can and should do better when it comes to Tales of Tribute patrons.

VaranisArano wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Achernar wrote: »

Yikes, another male patron? Seriously, please make this the Druid Queen so we can have at least a modicum of diversity among patrons (one raven aside). It's a bit ridiculous that there is not even one female patron in ToT.

is this actually a real problem? i mean, it's a single tiny static picture. the druid king was already established, so that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. i'd be down to see a dark brotherhood night mother deck though i guess, but not because the patron is a woman (also a corpse yikes lol), but because it'd probably have a big focus on agents.

If you don't see a problem with 9 male patrons and 0 female patrons in a card game developed by a fantastical, egalitarian society, I don't suppose I can convince you. Any more than I can convince you that it's a problem in a video game made in the current day and marketed to male and female gamers alike.

We had a much longer discussion on it here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/613962/are-the-patrons-all-male/p1

The gist of my contribution to that discussion is that as the Lore team starts picking through the Lore from older games looking for recognizable characters to make patrons of their decks, its not surprising that they mostly chose male characters. Men are overrepresented in the older lore, for reasons to do more with the society the IRL authors lived in than Tamriel. That means that, assuming the Lore and Tales team wants to create a card game representative of the more egalitarian societies of Tamriel, they are going to have to look at creating, and then choosing, more women to be patrons.

I don't know enough about High Isle's story to know if the Druid King is a character created specifically for ESO, and thus if he could have been a Druid Queen without any trouble.

I do know that of the original 8 male patrons, Delmene Hlaalu was created specifically for ESO. So even when the Lore team made a new character just for Tales of Tribute, they made him a man.

I also know that ZOS has publicly noted that people want more male companions when people complained about getting 3 women and 1 man.

So I expect that ZOS can and should do better when it comes to Tales of Tribute patrons.

let me ask you this.

does a tribute patron being a woman as opposed to a man actually change anything? because as far as i see, it's a skin for a deck archetype. i legitimately don't think distribution of genders was actually a concern when they made the deck because it has quite literally no bearing on anything. am i opposed to a woman being the figurehead of a patron deck? no. because i don't think it's an important detail. why should we care if they're a man or a woman when the context is so minor that it quite literally doesn't matter at all?

VaranisArano wrote: »

You consider this an unimportant detail. I consider it an area where these teams who usually do a good job can and should do better.

Yeah 9 patrons is actually a pretty good amount. If we get to 10 patrons and still don't have a female, I'm going to be pretty surprised and unimpressed. Honestly I think not making the crow patron Nocturnal, or making the Hllalu patron a guy are the two it sticks out to me most with though. Nocturnal is their mistress. They could have had the Duke be her strongest card and the one everyone wants to get, that would better reflect the tale of the crows IMO.