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ugh why couldn't y'all just make a ccg like MTG
Genuinely tried to like Tales of Tribute but I played Tales of Tribute and it is critical frightful.
For what reason couldn't you all duplicate a card game format that has been demonstrated to work for quite a long time?
Magic The Gathering has been doing this for quite a long time. That play style fits the universe of ESO.
Also, you might have effectively switched a few things around however kept in a similar configuration.
Or maybe some kind of Pokemon' card battler using creatures and skills from all of ESO. There is so much content passed up here.
For what reason did we get this over complicated game , instead of something of this caliber? that's been proven to work? and a card game with with no combat? Its over convoluted and exhausting simultaneously.
Besides there is so many creatures in ESO and none are in the Tales of Tribute game.
It utilizes a rinse and repeat card hand mechanic system. Like for what reason is that even a thing?
To me simply appears to be absolutely lethargic.
I don't get why you all would not try your best at creating a better card game with a method that has worked?
You might have done some other strategy for a game but this is what was picked?
[snip]
Assuming you want assistance to reshape this game I can give you pointers however this stuff we have now is very much like there is no reasoning of endeavoring.
Once more, I wouldn't battle through that instructional exercise two times. Which I would like a "skip tutorial" function. That's not even in there either.
Pros:
nice graphics
Cons:
[snip]
no combat
no creatures
rinse and repeat mechanics
no sense of reasoning as to why we're even playing
linear path at winning meaning only one avenue to arrive at a win
overall: 4/10
[edited for bashing]
Edited by ZOS_Icy on 19 September 2022 18:21 For what reason couldn't you all duplicate a card game format that has been demonstrated to work for quite a long time?
Magic The Gathering has been doing this for quite a long time. That play style fits the universe of ESO.
Also, you might have effectively switched a few things around however kept in a similar configuration.
Or maybe some kind of Pokemon' card battler using creatures and skills from all of ESO. There is so much content passed up here.
For what reason did we get this over complicated game , instead of something of this caliber? that's been proven to work? and a card game with with no combat? Its over convoluted and exhausting simultaneously.
Besides there is so many creatures in ESO and none are in the Tales of Tribute game.
It utilizes a rinse and repeat card hand mechanic system. Like for what reason is that even a thing?
To me simply appears to be absolutely lethargic.
I don't get why you all would not try your best at creating a better card game with a method that has worked?
You might have done some other strategy for a game but this is what was picked?
[snip]
Assuming you want assistance to reshape this game I can give you pointers however this stuff we have now is very much like there is no reasoning of endeavoring.
Once more, I wouldn't battle through that instructional exercise two times. Which I would like a "skip tutorial" function. That's not even in there either.
Pros:
nice graphics
Cons:
[snip]
no combat
no creatures
rinse and repeat mechanics
no sense of reasoning as to why we're even playing
linear path at winning meaning only one avenue to arrive at a win
overall: 4/10
[edited for bashing]
Dear Community/Followers,
I want to address recent concerns regarding allegations of inappropriate direct messages and supposed cheating. First and foremost, I want to clarify that I do not admit to any wrongdoing. However, I understand that my actions may have been perceived in a way that caused concern.
As many of you know, I am a disabled veteran who served in Iraq, and I am permanently and totally mentally disabled. My PTSD, which was formally diagnosed in 2013 after being reclassified in the DSM-5, has affected me in ways that are difficult to fully explain. While this is not an excuse, it has, at times, clouded my judgment and impacted my behavior. This condition is something I have lived with for a long time, and it is a daily challenge.
As an influencer, streamer, and game reviewer with over 300 reviews, 800 followers on Twitch, and 1,600 followers on TikTok, I understand the responsibility that comes with my platform. Our role as influencers is to set a positive example, and I want to make it clear that I do not condone actions that go against the Terms of Service (TOS) or End User License Agreements (EULA) of any platform or community. Even though societal norms have evolved, and what was once deemed acceptable behavior in the past is no longer appropriate, I am committed to adapting and ensuring that my actions reflect the values we strive for today.
I want to go forward with a commitment to better representing the disabled members of our community. I recognize that I may never fully "fit in" or be "normal," but I am dedicated to improving and learning from these experiences. It is crucial that we have more flexibility and better support services for disabled veterans like myself, so we can remain active members of our communities without being unfairly limited by our disabilities. These services would help ensure that we can make better decisions and avoid situations like this in the future.
Thank you for your understanding, and I am grateful for the continued support of this community as I work to become a better version of myself.
Sincerely,
theshockcable
I want to address recent concerns regarding allegations of inappropriate direct messages and supposed cheating. First and foremost, I want to clarify that I do not admit to any wrongdoing. However, I understand that my actions may have been perceived in a way that caused concern.
As many of you know, I am a disabled veteran who served in Iraq, and I am permanently and totally mentally disabled. My PTSD, which was formally diagnosed in 2013 after being reclassified in the DSM-5, has affected me in ways that are difficult to fully explain. While this is not an excuse, it has, at times, clouded my judgment and impacted my behavior. This condition is something I have lived with for a long time, and it is a daily challenge.
As an influencer, streamer, and game reviewer with over 300 reviews, 800 followers on Twitch, and 1,600 followers on TikTok, I understand the responsibility that comes with my platform. Our role as influencers is to set a positive example, and I want to make it clear that I do not condone actions that go against the Terms of Service (TOS) or End User License Agreements (EULA) of any platform or community. Even though societal norms have evolved, and what was once deemed acceptable behavior in the past is no longer appropriate, I am committed to adapting and ensuring that my actions reflect the values we strive for today.
I want to go forward with a commitment to better representing the disabled members of our community. I recognize that I may never fully "fit in" or be "normal," but I am dedicated to improving and learning from these experiences. It is crucial that we have more flexibility and better support services for disabled veterans like myself, so we can remain active members of our communities without being unfairly limited by our disabilities. These services would help ensure that we can make better decisions and avoid situations like this in the future.
Thank you for your understanding, and I am grateful for the continued support of this community as I work to become a better version of myself.
Sincerely,
theshockcable
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Skvysh✭✭✭eternalshockcable wrote: »For what reason couldn't you all duplicate a card game format that has been demonstrated to work for quite a long time?
Deck builders have been "demonstrated to work" since 2008.
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eternalshockcable wrote: »For what reason couldn't you all duplicate a card game format that has been demonstrated to work for quite a long time?
Deck builders have been "demonstrated to work" since 2008.
Tales of Tribute is not a "Deck Builder" game its decks are preconstructed .Dear Community/Followers,
I want to address recent concerns regarding allegations of inappropriate direct messages and supposed cheating. First and foremost, I want to clarify that I do not admit to any wrongdoing. However, I understand that my actions may have been perceived in a way that caused concern.
As many of you know, I am a disabled veteran who served in Iraq, and I am permanently and totally mentally disabled. My PTSD, which was formally diagnosed in 2013 after being reclassified in the DSM-5, has affected me in ways that are difficult to fully explain. While this is not an excuse, it has, at times, clouded my judgment and impacted my behavior. This condition is something I have lived with for a long time, and it is a daily challenge.
As an influencer, streamer, and game reviewer with over 300 reviews, 800 followers on Twitch, and 1,600 followers on TikTok, I understand the responsibility that comes with my platform. Our role as influencers is to set a positive example, and I want to make it clear that I do not condone actions that go against the Terms of Service (TOS) or End User License Agreements (EULA) of any platform or community. Even though societal norms have evolved, and what was once deemed acceptable behavior in the past is no longer appropriate, I am committed to adapting and ensuring that my actions reflect the values we strive for today.
I want to go forward with a commitment to better representing the disabled members of our community. I recognize that I may never fully "fit in" or be "normal," but I am dedicated to improving and learning from these experiences. It is crucial that we have more flexibility and better support services for disabled veterans like myself, so we can remain active members of our communities without being unfairly limited by our disabilities. These services would help ensure that we can make better decisions and avoid situations like this in the future.
Thank you for your understanding, and I am grateful for the continued support of this community as I work to become a better version of myself.
Sincerely,
theshockcable0 -
Heartrage✭✭✭✭✭eternalshockcable wrote: »eternalshockcable wrote: »For what reason couldn't you all duplicate a card game format that has been demonstrated to work for quite a long time?
Deck builders have been "demonstrated to work" since 2008.
Tales of Tribute is not a "Deck Builder" game its decks are preconstructed .
You build your deck during the game. That’s what a deck building card game is. What you describe is a ccg.2 -
ZOS_KevinCommunity ManagerThanks for the feedback, @eternalshockcable.
It's perfectly fine to not like or resonate with Tales of Tribute. While we hope everyone has a chance to play and like it, we understand that not everyone well. However, the dev team made the card game that they wanted to make. And we're all proud of the work that they've done. They didn't want to make a CCG clone, but rather a unique experience for Tamriel. All of those other card games mentioned are available to play elsewhere to play if that's what players prefer. I'm an avid player of MTG myself.
And to address the deck builder part, the game itself is building an optimized deck as you play to beat your opponent. The optimized deck is built from of the preconstructed decks selected at the beginning of the match. Not deck building like in other established card games, but still deck building.Community Manager for ZeniMax Online Studio and Elder Scrolls OnlineDev Tracker | Service Alerts | ESO Twitter8 -
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✭✭✭eternalshockcable wrote: »Genuinely tried to like Tales of Tribute but I played Tales of Tribute and it is critical frightful.
For what reason couldn't you all duplicate a card game format that has been demonstrated to work for quite a long time?
Bethesda DID make such a card game. It is called The Elder Scrolls: Legends and for various reasons the game seems to have failed as there hasn't been further development on the game in quite some time.Don't tank
"In future content we will probably adjust this model somewhat (The BOP model). It's definitely nice to be able to find a cool item that you don't need and trade it to someone who can't wait to get their hands on it." - Wrobel0 -
kevkj✭✭✭✭@ZOS_Kevin For what it's worth, I greatly appreciate the non customizable deck aspect of Tales of Tribute. A lot of people expected Magic, but it's not. I'm not sure if the comparison was initially made by someone from ZOS, but I do know a lot of content creators early on referenced Magic and that might have hurt perceptions.
For any of the naysayers, it's perfectly fine to dislike the game but to claim that ToT has no similarity to existing deck builders exposes your own lack of experience with the genre. Dominion is a very popular game in the tabletop scene while the lesser known Star Realms is incredibly similar to ToT aside from thematic differences.0 -
Skvysh✭✭✭eternalshockcable wrote: »eternalshockcable wrote: »For what reason couldn't you all duplicate a card game format that has been demonstrated to work for quite a long time?
Deck builders have been "demonstrated to work" since 2008.
Tales of Tribute is not a "Deck Builder" game its decks are preconstructed .
Deck builder, as a game genre/mechanic, definition.1 -
Thanks for the feedback, @eternalshockcable.
It's perfectly fine to not like or resonate with Tales of Tribute. While we hope everyone has a chance to play and like it, we understand that not everyone well. However, the dev team made the card game that they wanted to make. And we're all proud of the work that they've done. They didn't want to make a CCG clone, but rather a unique experience for Tamriel. All of those other card games mentioned are available to play elsewhere to play if that's what players prefer. I'm an avid player of MTG myself.
And to address the deck builder part, the game itself is building an optimized deck as you play to beat your opponent. The optimized deck is built from of the preconstructed decks selected at the beginning of the match. Not deck building like in other established card games, but still deck building.
Thanks Kevin. My take its from the 1st time playthrough experience.
I do hope in the future we could get a hardcore CCG within ESO. There is so much content that could be tapped into bring one within the game.Dear Community/Followers,
I want to address recent concerns regarding allegations of inappropriate direct messages and supposed cheating. First and foremost, I want to clarify that I do not admit to any wrongdoing. However, I understand that my actions may have been perceived in a way that caused concern.
As many of you know, I am a disabled veteran who served in Iraq, and I am permanently and totally mentally disabled. My PTSD, which was formally diagnosed in 2013 after being reclassified in the DSM-5, has affected me in ways that are difficult to fully explain. While this is not an excuse, it has, at times, clouded my judgment and impacted my behavior. This condition is something I have lived with for a long time, and it is a daily challenge.
As an influencer, streamer, and game reviewer with over 300 reviews, 800 followers on Twitch, and 1,600 followers on TikTok, I understand the responsibility that comes with my platform. Our role as influencers is to set a positive example, and I want to make it clear that I do not condone actions that go against the Terms of Service (TOS) or End User License Agreements (EULA) of any platform or community. Even though societal norms have evolved, and what was once deemed acceptable behavior in the past is no longer appropriate, I am committed to adapting and ensuring that my actions reflect the values we strive for today.
I want to go forward with a commitment to better representing the disabled members of our community. I recognize that I may never fully "fit in" or be "normal," but I am dedicated to improving and learning from these experiences. It is crucial that we have more flexibility and better support services for disabled veterans like myself, so we can remain active members of our communities without being unfairly limited by our disabilities. These services would help ensure that we can make better decisions and avoid situations like this in the future.
Thank you for your understanding, and I am grateful for the continued support of this community as I work to become a better version of myself.
Sincerely,
theshockcable0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭And to address the deck builder part, the game itself is building an optimized deck as you play to beat your opponent. The optimized deck is built from of the preconstructed decks selected at the beginning of the match. Not deck building like in other established card games, but still deck building.
To add on to that, deck building games in this fashion have been around for a while now. This one is a little simpler but still a whole lot of fun!0