SilverBride wrote: »

Why? What benefit is there to using this Patron on the first turn? We don't have any good power producing cards yet so what is there to gain this early in the game?

I like this deck because I like a lot of its cards, and do not even turn the Patron until I've built a decent deck. The exception being if my opponent keeps spamming him every turn because I am not going to let them keep favor.

I chose Orgnum in a game today and this is what my opponent immediately started to do. I had to waste coins to turn him back to neutral every turn that I could have used for cards. I did let it ride once while I picked a good power card. That is when my opponent basically stopped playing and ended the rest of their turns without playing any cards. I was baffled by what they thought they were going to accomplish and why they just gave up without even trying.

If this is a strategy I don't understand it.

I never use Orgnum. As it stands now there really isnt much strategy to it.

When I see Orgnum get picked, I dont think that my opponent chose this deck for interesting, strategic challenge (any other deck would serve this purpose) but its more for a quick game of lets keep spamming the button back and forth and see what happens.

Your opponent may have been rather disappointed when you picked it, and just did what they believed to be expected of them. Still, I believe it was commendable that they stuck it out and didnt concede in order to give you the win before moving on to the next game.

The sooner you use it, you force a few things on your opponent.

1. You may force them to use the patron as well, which means both of you are now racing for cheap tavern cards and patron usage. For a player going second, this could be beneficial if your opponent chose a non gold card first turn, meaning there is potential that a handful of turns they will not be able to afford to use the patron.
2. You force your opponent to ignore the patron. In which case, your next turn, using the patron not only grants you points, it also gives you cards that add to your score and increase the value of using the patron.
3. You break their strategy, or even keep them away from more damaging Patrons. That level of disruption can win a match if they aren't prepared to play an orgnum spam game or they make poor card purchases around the orgnum spam.

jaws343 wrote: »

The sooner you use it, you force a few things on your opponent.

1. You may force them to use the patron as well, which means both of you are now racing for cheap tavern cards and patron usage. For a player going second, this could be beneficial if your opponent chose a non gold card first turn, meaning there is potential that a handful of turns they will not be able to afford to use the patron.
2. You force your opponent to ignore the patron. In which case, your next turn, using the patron not only grants you points, it also gives you cards that add to your score and increase the value of using the patron.
3. You break their strategy, or even keep them away from more damaging Patrons. That level of disruption can win a match if they aren't prepared to play an orgnum spam game or they make poor card purchases around the orgnum spam.

Well said. One thing I have done when a player picks the Orgnum patron is I refuse to pick any patron that has built-in high power card like Pelin or Ansei, if possible. Typically go with Crow and Hlaalu or Rajhin. Then play the RNG game when the spamming begins and hope for 2-3 coin Orgnum, Crow, or treasury cards.

But overall, Orgnum is a lame deck. There is only punishment for not countering your opponent's spamming with spamming. Trying to hold out for powerful cards worth more than 6 coin is pointless and eliminates them from the game.

And if you can get a hold of the Freebooter card early, forget about it. If your opponent can't knock it out, its almost a lock

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

. Still, I believe it was commendable that they stuck it out and didnt concede in order to give you the win before moving on to the next game.

Since U35, wins through concession still properly awards wins for dailies. So, ending turns doesn't do anything but waste your opponent's time.

@SilverBride the deck itself is a fun and well-built deck for combos. The problem is the patron never really lets you see the potential for the deck. The way it is currently set up, I don't know why there are even agents, although I stand by what I said about the Freebooter. Oof.

I should have said it was a lame patron, not deck. The spamming eliminates strategies you have built into other decks. It turns the game into Hungry Hungry Hippos with one player hoping to get a golden ball.

I'm pretty sure I've seen posts in this forum where players who hate the Orgnum patron have basically said that they're going to use the spamming-from-turn-1 strategy out of spite whenever their opponent chooses the Orgnum patron for the match.

My guess is that in the past they lost one or more matches to opponents who'd chosen Orgnum and used it effectively, but they themselves haven't actually learned how to best use it strategically, or maybe they just despise it so much because they think they're better at knowing what a good design for a deck looks like and Orgnum ain't it (the old "I know game design far better than this game's developers do" syndrome), so they just start spamming it from turn 1 to be annoying and then resort to trolling their opponent with the do-nothing-and-just-let-the-timer-run-out-each-turn move when they see that simply spamming Orgnum isn't winning them the match.

Edit: Personally, I love it when my opponent chooses Orgnum or Rajhin. I used to hate it, but I eventually got better at working out strategies for using-- or trying to counteract-- those decks. I haven't collected them yet, myself, so the only time I get to play with them is when my opponent chooses them.