Hear me out ZOS

Reverb · August 2022

Please bring back ground oils and make resource towers destroyable again.

Give us these counters to ball groups and tower farmers. Please.

BazOfWar · August 2022

I completely agree with this and in fact I would go as far to say remove camp towers altogether, I mean what purpose do they serve?.

Tower monkeys and ball groups are sucking the enjoyment out of cyrodiil, banging on a keep door crying for attention and as soon as players arrive they head straight for the nearest tower.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO · August 2022

Why did they remove the abilty to destroy towers in the first place? I honestly cannot remember and I don't recall any major game breaking reason they shouldn't be destroyed. Grayhost yesterday morning was about 90% tower humpers and the people chasing them, 10% actual campaign objectives. It was very tiresome.

Amottica · August 2022

BazOfWar wrote: »

Tower monkeys and ball groups are sucking the enjoyment out of cyrodiil,.

The so-called tower monkeys are powerless on their own. It is players that keep chasing after them and dying to them time and time again like moths to a flame that give them some fleeting power.

BazOfWar · August 2022

Amottica wrote: »

BazOfWar wrote: »

Tower monkeys and ball groups are sucking the enjoyment out of cyrodiil,.

The so-called tower monkeys are powerless on their own. It is players that keep chasing after them and dying to them time and time again like moths to a flame that give them some fleeting power.

I agree but it's a double edged sword, you have to deal with them because if you don't they just continue to attack the keeps they are near and eventually cap it if left alone.

Reverb · August 2022

Amottica wrote: »

BazOfWar wrote: »

Tower monkeys and ball groups are sucking the enjoyment out of cyrodiil,.

The so-called tower monkeys are powerless on their own. It is players that keep chasing after them and dying to them time and time again like moths to a flame that give them some fleeting power.

But they continue to be a pain in the neck if not given attention. If nobody chases them around, they take all the resources and cut off an important keep and transit line until people agree to waste time chasing them, to keep them occupied. They keep flipping resources so keeps downgrade and are more easily lost. They eventually get annoyed that nobody pays attention to them so they flag the keep.

Ignoring them is one option, but I’d like the tower destruction mechanic brought back as well. Or give speed builds a significant damage reduction, so there’s more of a trade off for LoS tower farming builds.

DrSlaughtr · August 2022

Ignoring a problem group doesn't make the problem go away. If a group is dead set on disruption, they only way to stop them is to mow them over repeatedly until they go bother someone else.

They want easy kills and will do whatever it takes to keep just enough players trickling in to feed them. The moment they get smashed a few times, they'll go elsewhere or head to IC.

Didgerion · August 2022

Reverb wrote: »

Please bring back ground oils and make resource towers destroyable again.

Give us these counters to ball groups and tower farmers. Please.

You do realize that ball groups are the ones that will use the ground oils in the first place.

redspecter23 · August 2022

I'd love a detonator set up by the flag that just instantly demolishes the tower and everyone in it. It would be hilarious. But for something a bit more realistic, I just tend to avoid tower farmers. They can't farm you if you don't go near them. Maybe I'll fall for the trap once. Good for them. They got me. If I keep going back and dying, that's a me problem, not an issue with the towers.

Reverb · August 2022

Didgerion wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Please bring back ground oils and make resource towers destroyable again.

Give us these counters to ball groups and tower farmers. Please.

You do realize that ball groups are the ones that will use the ground oils in the first place.

Most of the time they’re not going to stand still long enough to do that, continuous movement is too core to the play style.

TechMaybeHic · August 2022

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Why did they remove the abilty to destroy towers in the first place? I honestly cannot remember and I don't recall any major game breaking reason they shouldn't be destroyed. Grayhost yesterday morning was about 90% tower humpers and the people chasing them, 10% actual campaign objectives. It was very tiresome.

Same reason they removed all the deer in Cyrodiil. To reduce lag. Then hilariously added destructible gates and bridges after that.

Basically the game has gone further yet into zerg, tower hump, or ball group. They've nearly killed off just groups of friends just joining up with their personal builds pushing keeps. You have to try hard or zerg

xDeusEJRx · August 2022

The thing is with destructible towers; they can just choose not to flip the resource to their color. Then that makes it impossible to destroy the tower.
Leave the resource under control of the original faction then you can't damage the tower and they can still do the same farming as usual, because you can't attack your own faction's structures in Cyrodiil.

That's a simple solution they could do that would change literally nothing for these players

TechMaybeHic · August 2022

If they leave the resource as your faction so the towers not destructible, then you could ignore them. The reason you don't ignore them now is they will just keep flipping resources until the keeps cut.

danthemann5 · August 2022

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Why did they remove the abilty to destroy towers in the first place? I honestly cannot remember and I don't recall any major game breaking reason they shouldn't be destroyed. Grayhost yesterday morning was about 90% tower humpers and the people chasing them, 10% actual campaign objectives. It was very tiresome.

Same reason they removed all the deer in Cyrodiil. To reduce lag. Then hilariously added destructible gates and bridges after that.

Basically the game has gone further yet into zerg, tower hump, or ball group. They've nearly killed of just groups of friends just joining up with their personal builds pushing keeps. You have to try hard or zerg

Let us not forget the addition of the not at all lag inducing Volendrung.

Dem_kitkats1 · August 2022

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

The thing is with destructible towers; they can just choose not to flip the resource to their color. Then that makes it impossible to destroy the tower.
Leave the resource under control of the original faction then you can't damage the tower and they can still do the same farming as usual, because you can't attack your own faction's structures in Cyrodiil.

That's a simple solution they could do that would change literally nothing for these players

Yes, the main problem is in the tools that organized players have access to, that make them pretty much immune to any counters. Until those things are actually addressed, there's not much you can do to deter them.

However, organized groups often sit on/flip resources to entice players to come to them. At least in those instances they would be fair game then. If they chose to simply hide out and not cap, it's more viable to ignore them until they actually start flipping. By then players actually have some tools to counter them, instead of running around the infinite merry-go-round, or simply letting organized groups control it. At this point any step, no matter how small, is better then the rock bottom we're at.

xDeusEJRx · August 2022

Dem_kitkats1 wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

The thing is with destructible towers; they can just choose not to flip the resource to their color. Then that makes it impossible to destroy the tower.
Leave the resource under control of the original faction then you can't damage the tower and they can still do the same farming as usual, because you can't attack your own faction's structures in Cyrodiil.

That's a simple solution they could do that would change literally nothing for these players

Yes, the main problem is in the tools that organized players have access to, that make them pretty much immune to any counters. Until those things are actually addressed, there's not much you can do to deter them.

However, organized groups often sit on/flip resources to entice players to come to them. At least in those instances they would be fair game then. If they chose to simply hide out and not cap, it's more viable to ignore them until they actually start flipping. By then players actually have some tools to counter them, instead of running around the infinite merry-go-round, or simply letting organized groups control it. At this point any step, no matter how small, is better then the rock bottom we're at.

There's still far more viable ways to draw attention that doesn't require flipping anything to where "ignoring them" isn't an option.

For example, every faction has 2 resources you can flag the keep from while also not being able to be counter-sieged by enemies at all.

Daggerfall: warden mine and glademist mine
Aldmeri: Faregyl lumbermill and bloodmayne lumbermill
Pact: Arrius mine and Kingscrest lumbermill

In all cases I can choose to false flag the keep from the resource while having never flipped the resource, then retreat back into the resource tower(because people aren't just going to ignore a flagged keep on the map). And you ALSO will NOT be able to siege the tower at all because I have no reason to flip the resource in the first place (as I already flagged the keep to begin with).

Then whenever they die they can just choose to alternate between keeps to another keep to do the same. They keep getting fights, people keep getting drawn to fights and no resource/keep flipping is required for them to bait people out like they want.

Which is why I feel like updates like this would literally do nothing if these players are a bane to you.

danthemann5 · August 2022

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Dem_kitkats1 wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

The thing is with destructible towers; they can just choose not to flip the resource to their color. Then that makes it impossible to destroy the tower.
Leave the resource under control of the original faction then you can't damage the tower and they can still do the same farming as usual, because you can't attack your own faction's structures in Cyrodiil.

That's a simple solution they could do that would change literally nothing for these players

Yes, the main problem is in the tools that organized players have access to, that make them pretty much immune to any counters. Until those things are actually addressed, there's not much you can do to deter them.

However, organized groups often sit on/flip resources to entice players to come to them. At least in those instances they would be fair game then. If they chose to simply hide out and not cap, it's more viable to ignore them until they actually start flipping. By then players actually have some tools to counter them, instead of running around the infinite merry-go-round, or simply letting organized groups control it. At this point any step, no matter how small, is better then the rock bottom we're at.

There's still far more viable ways to draw attention that doesn't require flipping anything to where "ignoring them" isn't an option.

For example, every faction has 2 resources you can flag the keep from while also not being able to be counter-sieged by enemies at all.

Daggerfall: warden mine and glademist mine
Aldmeri: Faregyl lumbermill and bloodmayne lumbermill
Pact: Arrius mine and Kingscrest lumbermill

In all cases I can choose to false flag the keep from the resource while having never flipped the resource, then retreat back into the resource tower(because people aren't just going to ignore a flagged keep on the map). And you ALSO will NOT be able to siege the tower at all because I have no reason to flip the resource in the first place (as I already flagged the keep to begin with).

Then whenever they die they can just choose to alternate between keeps to another keep to do the same. They keep getting fights, people keep getting drawn to fights and no resource/keep flipping is required for them to bait people out like they want.

Which is why I feel like updates like this would literally do nothing if these players are a bane to you.

Every DC keep with the possible exception of Rayles can be sieged from at least one resource tower with impunity, not to mention that you can just jump into Glade from the northeast corner.

Reverb · August 2022

danthemann5 wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Dem_kitkats1 wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

The thing is with destructible towers; they can just choose not to flip the resource to their color. Then that makes it impossible to destroy the tower.
Leave the resource under control of the original faction then you can't damage the tower and they can still do the same farming as usual, because you can't attack your own faction's structures in Cyrodiil.

That's a simple solution they could do that would change literally nothing for these players

Yes, the main problem is in the tools that organized players have access to, that make them pretty much immune to any counters. Until those things are actually addressed, there's not much you can do to deter them.

However, organized groups often sit on/flip resources to entice players to come to them. At least in those instances they would be fair game then. If they chose to simply hide out and not cap, it's more viable to ignore them until they actually start flipping. By then players actually have some tools to counter them, instead of running around the infinite merry-go-round, or simply letting organized groups control it. At this point any step, no matter how small, is better then the rock bottom we're at.

There's still far more viable ways to draw attention that doesn't require flipping anything to where "ignoring them" isn't an option.

For example, every faction has 2 resources you can flag the keep from while also not being able to be counter-sieged by enemies at all.

Daggerfall: warden mine and glademist mine
Aldmeri: Faregyl lumbermill and bloodmayne lumbermill
Pact: Arrius mine and Kingscrest lumbermill

In all cases I can choose to false flag the keep from the resource while having never flipped the resource, then retreat back into the resource tower(because people aren't just going to ignore a flagged keep on the map). And you ALSO will NOT be able to siege the tower at all because I have no reason to flip the resource in the first place (as I already flagged the keep to begin with).

Then whenever they die they can just choose to alternate between keeps to another keep to do the same. They keep getting fights, people keep getting drawn to fights and no resource/keep flipping is required for them to bait people out like they want.

Which is why I feel like updates like this would literally do nothing if these players are a bane to you.

Every DC keep with the possible exception of Rayles can be sieged from at least one resource tower with impunity, not to mention that you can just jump into Glade from the northeast corner.

You can siege Rayles from the LM.