Rush of Agony + DCon double pull!

deleted221205-002626 · August 2022

Everyone is complaining about dcon but the problem is really rush of agony not applying cc imunity so that they can drop a dcon right after and pull you back in.. this needs to be fixed... add cc immunity to rush of agony!

@ZOS_GinaBruno

xxslam48xxb14_ESO · August 2022

I don't think I ever seen someone combo this, but I believe you. Really its all just pretty bad. All these terrible updates stacked together into this wretched beast we call pvp. Zos created a true monster.

Might ever be a bit comical next patch with no one dying unless they get pulled into a bomb. Single target damage at the lowest point its ever been, but bombs will be just as strong as ever.

deleted221205-002626 · August 2022

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't think I ever seen someone combo this, but I believe you. Really its all just pretty bad. All these terrible updates stacked together into this wretched beast we call pvp. Zos created a true monster.

Might ever be a bit comical next patch with no one dying unless they get pulled into a bomb. Single target damage at the lowest point its ever been, but bombs will be just as strong as ever.

U dont really see it you just get pulled in the 1st time with it... dcon 1sec later covers it and pulls u back in 1sec later because theres no cc immunity from getting out of the agony 1st.

MEBengalsFan2001 · August 2022

Crowd control effects and immunity needs to be reworked. I get tripled stunned from one NB out of stealth even when I have radiant light on my character, used a mobility pot, and have slippery.

Other annoying cc effect is how root works. You can root and stun an opponent which makes playing players who can do those two cc along with slowed really makes playing against specific classes harder.

Other issues I see in pvp is when my abilities get grayed out but I have zero cc effect on me and players able to use 7-8 attacks within a second and does over 40k damage damage.

Danse_Mayhem · August 2022

Can confirm this is utter filth.
Went into BGs last night with 3 werewolves all using rush of agony, and alternating the leap to keep enemies pulled was game breaking.

It’s not something that can be broken free from because it’s just a pull, so we were able to keep enemies stun locked in being bounced around with this set.

I’ll be the first to say dark convergence and rush of agony should be reworked to not have an AOE pull, but if this is the solution, to cheese or be cheeses then expect other teams to do the same thing.

deleted221205-002626 · August 2022

Danse_Mayhem wrote: »

Can confirm this is utter filth.
Went into BGs last night with 3 werewolves all using rush of agony, and alternating the leap to keep enemies pulled was game breaking.

It’s not something that can be broken free from because it’s just a pull, so we were able to keep enemies stun locked in being bounced around with this set.

I’ll be the first to say dark convergence and rush of agony should be reworked to not have an AOE pull, but if this is the solution, to cheese or be cheeses then expect other teams to do the same thing.

The aoe pull is fine and alot of fun to use but they all need cc immunity or its just pinball out there.. this very reason is why dcon's 2nd pull was removed

katorga · August 2022

Creating a CC that does not follow CC mechanics is a bad move.

MarioMario · August 2022

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't think I ever seen someone combo this, but I believe you. Really its all just pretty bad. All these terrible updates stacked together into this wretched beast we call pvp. Zos created a true monster.
...

I combined this, on a oakensoul warden, using stampede to proc both sets.

It works pretty well. Subterrean -> Stampede -> DB -> job done.

Blame ZOS not me

TechMaybeHic · August 2022

It's kind of funny as it was mentioned in testing when this was on PTS and forgotten. Some quietly used it while the masses kept crying "no problem here" and as the complaints finally start increasing as they realize "wait. Might be a problem here" you start seeing it used more and more. Fun fact is DC also does not kick in CC immunity until its stun hits so its often comboed with a fear to drop any blocks.

End of the day; this is what happens when they go outside the mechanics because they want a "new and interesting set." And Nocturnal Ploy will be the next.

deleted221205-002626 · August 2022

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

It's kind of funny as it was mentioned in testing when this was on PTS and forgotten. Some quietly used it while the masses kept crying "no problem here" and as the complaints finally start increasing as they realize "wait. Might be a problem here" you start seeing it used more and more. Fun fact is DC also does not kick in CC immunity until its stun hits so its often comboed with a fear to drop any blocks.

End of the day; this is what happens when they go outside the mechanics because they want a "new and interesting set." And Nocturnal Ploy will be the next.

The problem is everyone been blaming DCON cuz thats the only one they can see. they didnt realize the 1st pull everytime was from rush of agony and not apply cc immunity so dcon after and all the ults can go off at the same time on u for the 2nd pull.

Kory · August 2022

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

It's kind of funny as it was mentioned in testing when this was on PTS and forgotten. Some quietly used it while the masses kept crying "no problem here" and as the complaints finally start increasing as they realize "wait. Might be a problem here" you start seeing it used more and more. Fun fact is DC also does not kick in CC immunity until its stun hits so its often comboed with a fear to drop any blocks.

End of the day; this is what happens when they go outside the mechanics because they want a "new and interesting set." And Nocturnal Ploy will be the next.

Dark Convergence was barely properly tested on the PTS at the time. The duelers that are usually on could not have properly gauged how broken it was. And I guess a couple mentions and assumptions isn't enough to send major alarm bells ringing, as it did after it officially launched on the live server.

Oakenaxe · August 2022

Rush of Agony totally needs a rework, the thing being instant, invisible and having no cc immunity is overpowered.