Dark Cloak even worse?

Ragnaroek93 · August 2022

I think that the devs vision for Nb is to a boring gank class (except that the class worked very well for 5 years before the combat lead designers decided to prune Nbs entire toolkit). The people who created this game are gone and replaced with people who have no clue about what they're doing.

GloatingSwine · August 2022

A HoT that boosts from missing health isn't what you want. If you're on low enough health to get max payout from Dark Cloak you need health now, not in 5 seconds.

Dragon Blood works as a useful tool because its' a spike heal.

Suligost · August 2022

Change is crap but honestly by nerf Hots/heals lets be HONEST... people ment TEMPLAR/RESTRO/DK burst heal. People sometimes don't know what they are writing. For such heals you either remove them or put cooldowns on them...

Dagobertfuk · August 2022

Suligost wrote: »

Change is crap but honestly by nerf Hots/heals lets be HONEST... people ment TEMPLAR/RESTRO/DK burst heal. People sometimes don't know what they are writing. For such heals you either remove them or put cooldowns on them...

Its not like anyone complained in forums about dark cloak, its pure ZOS nerf to pretend beeing competent with their own game. People with high weapon/spelldmg nowadays got way stronger vigor heals. Even nerfed Post Pts Vigor with the weapon-/spellpower value's you need to kill people in that crossheal madness, is even stronger than non nerfed Pre Pts Dark Cloak.

ccfeeling · August 2022

Sorry , I still cannot get the reason why Dev has to nerf Dark Cloak twice .

OP in PVE ? No , it's HOT not burst healing , and we only get minor protection and Major Resolve when DC is on .
OP in PVP ? I believe lower than 20% NB run DC in PVP , Shadowy Disguise is just too amazing this game .

Developer Comment:
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Keep in mind that while this number may seem high, as the ability and other sources heal you it naturally diminishes in power, making it much better to use when you are below 50% Health.

Dev , can you explain more ? I don't understand how you say the number may seem high ROFL !

AinSoph · August 2022

For some reason, they copied DK's dragon blood burst heal behavior....on a HoT...in literally any case, be it pve or pvp, people usually use a burst heal bc they're on low health and usually cant afford to wait for the HoT to tick them back up so this essentially forces NB's to use Offering with an inherent fear of it not even targeting you in group settings.

olsborg · August 2022

A hot that requires the caster to be very much below 50% hp to at all be reasonable good heal is such a bad design for pvp, you are basically only gonna have a decent heal when you are in execute range, the problem is...its a hot not a burst heal so its not going to bring you out of execute range so you will be executed.
No point casting it as a HoT and then use burst heal, because once you have casted your burstheal and hopefully made it past the 70% hp mark dark cloak will barely heal you at all. So why slot this skill at all? Its going to be another unused skill for the nb toolkit, sad.

Brrrofski · August 2022

olsborg wrote: »

A hot that requires the caster to be very much below 50% hp to at all be reasonable good heal is such a bad design for pvp, you are basically only gonna have a decent heal when you are in execute range, the problem is...its a hot not a burst heal so its not going to bring you out of execute range so you will be executed.
No point casting it as a HoT and then use burst heal, because once you have casted your burstheal and hopefully made it past the 70% hp mark dark cloak will barely heal you at all. So why slot this skill at all? Its going to be another unused skill for the nb toolkit, sad.

Yeh, it really is a bad change.

And it's a weird one too.

I honestly feel like it was pretty perfectly balanced in all content and scenarios.

It was a skill worth slotting and worked well, but it wasn't too strong.

jecks33 · August 2022

ccfeeling wrote: »

Sorry , I still cannot get the reason why Dev has to nerf Dark Cloak twice .

"The reason this morph has been iterated on so many times is due to the difficulty in finding a sweet spot where it feels powerful enough for specific builds (primarily tanks in PvE encounters) without being too dominant/enabling in other areas (primarily PvP encounters)."

PVP, again

Rikakiah · August 2022

Do pvp nightblades use Dark Cloak when Vigor exists and the invis morph is such a powerful, class-defining morph? Did a dev get killed by the 1 guy using the DC morph?

VolrathStormborn · August 2022

Please, please utilize Battle Spirit!

Just so you understand, NB Tanks don't just stand there "Not Moving" so that extra HoT is damn near worthless. Especially with the newer, awesome, mobile fights in the latest content.

emilyhyoyeon · August 2022

I'm sorry but who in the last year at least complained about Dark Cloak in PVP? Genuine question, because I haven't seen anyone at all.

Sandman929 · August 2022

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I'm sorry but who in the last year at least complained about Dark Cloak in PVP? Genuine question, because I haven't seen anyone at all.

I have no idea...Dark Cloak CAN be good, and that's OK. I think we all like skills that can be good when there are still so many skills that have no purpose whatsoever.
Let's pile up all the "Dark Cloak OP" posts and compare that to the "Cross healing and stacked HOTs OP" posts and see if ZoS knows what to look at.

exeeter702 · August 2022

jecks33 wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

Sorry , I still cannot get the reason why Dev has to nerf Dark Cloak twice .

"The reason this morph has been iterated on so many times is due to the difficulty in finding a sweet spot where it feels powerful enough for specific builds (primarily tanks in PvE encounters) without being too dominant/enabling in other areas (primarily PvP encounters)."

PVP, again

Dark cloak wasnt even a damn issue in pvp. I cannot for the life of me understand ZOS' thought process here.

jecks33 · August 2022

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I'm sorry but who in the last year at least complained about Dark Cloak in PVP? Genuine question, because I haven't seen anyone at all.

I don't know but I saw NBs in pvp healing with rapid regen and/or vigor when hybridization came out. Never seen one using dark cloak

edward_frigidhands · August 2022

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Please, please utilize Battle Spirit!

Just so you understand, NB Tanks don't just stand there "Not Moving" so that extra HoT is damn near worthless. Especially with the newer, awesome, mobile fights in the latest content.

That would basically gut all night blade playstyles in pvp that aren't stealth based.

I understand it's not great having to deal with a proposed change like this but just saying destroy it and let pvpers deal with it is not a great direction for the game to go.

Mazio · August 2022

Absolutely no one who isn't trolling complains about Dark Cloak in PvP, it's a well balanced heal imo. And if it at any time it could be considered overpowered in its healing capability, that Nightblade is making huge sacrifices to get high enough HP to get these big ticks.
I honestly don't get this idea they have that it is a problem in PvP, nor do I understand why they are trying to scapegoat the PvP community again by claiming as such.

I reckon some skilled Nightblade player using dark cloak must have given one of the dev team a hard time, maybe survived a gank? Or possibly went toe to toe with a Templar and competed with their self healing? And thats it, skill nerfed to pointlessness again.