I dont think its valued, in my oppinion critiscm is relucantly accepted. If you are to direct you usually get snipped or cut by the moderator.
Also i kinda feel they dont play their own game and cater more to Rpler which do not even play certain content.
Also kinda dislike the fact that they make the gamer easier each patch.

Since few patches no class identity or different gear for the races/classes.
Miss the good old times.

Nope. This is basically ESO's version of SWG's NGE so they'll ignore it and apologize about it in a couple years when their numbers tank.

Sallymen wrote: »

and now "Everything has a price"

I'm glad it wasn't just me that noticed how condescending that came across.

Ha! No.

No. This update is a mistake, and it feels like they're making the game less fun on purpose. No one asked for these "adjustments", and they fail to achieve the stated goals (making content more accessible).

I have seen people state that ZOS doesn't care if people leave, because there are always new players to come pay in.
I know I am one of those.... I just started in January, and not sure if I plan on renewing.... I game for fun, and if there's no fun, then I go look for a game with fun in it. I also am paying for 3 subscriptions, mine, my stepmother's and my Fiance's --- so yeah, they might end up losing 3 out of this mess.

However, they also might want to consider that some of the people that they have angered here, especially ones where they snipped off parts of posts are venting their anger on a LOT of OTHER forums.... places where people go to find games.

I came to Tamriel, via Arena, and have also played Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard, Morrowind, and Oblivion..... with all expansions, and am currently STILL playing Daggerfall, albeit the Unity version.

I didn't have a system that could handle Skyrim, and by the time I got that, I came here.... I did this out of love for Tamriel, and wanting to share it, but was already getting warned away in other groups about the constant changes that came with every single patch, or update.

I was hoping that the people that kept trying to warn me away were exaggerating .....
So, right now, as I always do, I cancelled right after my subscription, as I hate having "surprise" withdrawals from my account ..... I plan them out .... but whether or not I renew when these run out is entirely going to be based on whether I am having fun, or not.

There are a LOT of other games out there, and Daggerfall can still fill my Tamriel itch.....

And the more people talking about how bad things are, then the less the new wallets coming to check it out...... it may not hurt them today, but it will build up in the loss of content creators, and something my job is always harping on NPR ... or Net Promotor Response, or in simple wording, Word of Mouth.
People that like something talk about it.... as do people that hate something... they cancel each other out...... the rest, if unhappy, just don't talk unless asked, and then it's usually negative ... if asked.

That loss of NPR will destroy ANY company, eventually.......

Auldwulfe

I'm a console player, of course not.

To quote someone on youtube: Let's be real. All this is, is ZOS (and specifically that dude being defensive about all this on twitter) saying " Okay we admit that what we wanted to do to the game is downright moronic, BUT you don't tell us what to do, so we're not changing everything back because we're the boss". At its most basic level that is what's going on here.

MashmalloMan wrote: »

I relish the day where poll's stop adding other.

But yeah.. the fact that that they're already going back on half their decisions shows how they should value their customer's feedback way more than they do - but as Rich makes clear, the playerbase just likes to whine. The changes should of never even touched the PTS.

ZOS continues to make half-baked decisions and developement towards the game as a whole.

• Remember year of performance improvements?
• Remember Companions having romance plots, improvements to their customization, anything at all really? Years later, still leveling Rapport..
• Remember the class rep system designed to make our voices heard, to bring class identity back to the game?
• Remember the year of class identity improvements?
• Remember when they adjusted sets and skills to be hybridized with the intention of the following patches being focused on Classes, Passives and Weapon lines to ensure choices meant something?
• Remember when they stated they would slow down on sweeping combat overhauls a patch ago?
• Remember when they stated the intent of combining weapon and spell stats related to crit and damage, as well as buffs, in their effort to hybridize and simplify the game, yet a patch later, thats left unfinished and we're met with a completely new combat system overhaul?

Still waiting on things players really care about.

• BG maps
• Cyro updates.
• BG Mode selection.
• BG Weekend Events.
• Customizable BG Maps via Housing System.
• Server improvements.
• Class identity.
• More weapons.
• More guilds.
• More combat skills.
• Spellcrafting.
• New Classes.
• Updates to core systems like Thieving and the Justice System.

But hey, 3 years and counting, we've got Digging, AI and a Card Game alongside a 10th combat overhaul. YAY. That is EXACTLY what players asked for.

/s

This game is like a stress test.
I think it is the best in the world in terms of its performance.

Feedback not being considered is one thing, maybe my feedback or ideas are not inline with the line the devs have set for the game. But the lack of communication on the PTS forum, and on other specific forums, is disrespectful. The community is not appreciated. Even the lead dev has acid social media reactions towards the community, a PR flop that hasn't been addressed. Also, consistent feedback is ignored or not acknowledged for years, even on QoL features. Disappointing. (I pay a sub almost since launch)

at this point should we still be talking to ZOS or should we start doing @Microsoft instead?