more motifs is always good in my book...

Lupinemw wrote: »

It's more fun when people don't know what you are till you breath fire on them or pull a destro staff etc.

You also have enough special crafting zones with a specific look.

I'd rather more to do than worry about how I look.

That's fine and dandy for you, those special crafted sets are unique to those sets, you don't want people knowing what class you are until you make it known through your skills. I already make it known by teleporting across the battlefield, siphoning health and vanishing and I wanna look cool while I do it. So all of that is just your opinion, why should everyone else miss out because of your personal choice?

@ArgonianAssassin in the same vein why would I agree to have something added to the game so that someone can try to make themselves look good..

It is after all ant act of Vanity rather than something of use. A whilst I understand some people can't live without a thousand styles and every colour under the sun its not for me. I'd rather substance over style, must be a man thing.

Yeah, like they want to do more of them... let's just see:
- 10 basic (racial) styles have 4 tiers of different looks - 5 other tiers have the same look as tier 4, just different colors
- 4 "rare" styles have ONE tier of looks, 8 other tiers are just different colors (they even friggin repeat (aka heavy primal shoulders lvl 4 look exactly the same as VR1)

I'd say, first they should complete these, rather than pop out more and more "rare" books that only really add 1 tier of armor.

I am all for more Motifs in this game, but not if they're going to be locked down by class. I've seen it before in other games. Seen something really cool that I could never use because it's 'class armor'. No thank you. Especially not in a game where class is far less important than your role and your build. Any class can fill any role. So why should I try to distinguish Dragonknights from everyone else before they use any abilities. Because Dragonknights are automatically tanks in heavy armor? Wrong. Or Templars. I suppose every Templar is a healer and thus an easy target? Wrong again. Class tells you absolutely nothing since you still can't see what's on their skill bar.

At the end of the day, I don't want to be pigeon holed into anything by my choice of class in a game that blurs the lines between classes. What would inevitably happen to me is that I'd absolutely hate the look of my class' racial motif and really love another class' motif, but be unable to equip it without rerolling. Not to mention it would make trying to sell gear incredibly overcomplicated. No longer would it just be 'I can't equip it yet b/c it's over my lvl'. Now you'd have to say, 'Oh sorry. I'd love that sword. But it's a Nightblade style and I'm a Templar. Darn'.

Well in some aspect it look like some wishes are granted.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-uk/news/post/2014/04/30/the-road-ahead---may-1

Though no doubt the fact that we will gain items will still not be enough for some

Valmond wrote: »

Lupinemw wrote: »

@ArgonianAssassin in the same vein why would I agree to have something added to the game so that someone can try to make themselves look good..

It is after all ant act of Vanity rather than something of use. A whilst I understand some people can't live without a thousand styles and every colour under the sun its not for me. I'd rather substance over style, must be a man thing.

Crowing in game forums about how you are too manly to care about your looks = the height of manliness.

Well i do care about what my character wears, and i would love to see more motifs in game (have all but Daedra already).
Class motifs, guild motifs, faction motifs, social motifs, etc...

Guess i'm just not manly enough.

Men should stay in the kitchen making me a sammich, MMO's is serious women business

As to the topic, I would love to see class motif books, but as has been mentioned as long as it isn't tied to a specific class. As long as I can put my templar in a nightblade heavy chestpiece, and such, I'd like it.

nudel wrote: »

I am all for more Motifs in this game, but not if they're going to be locked down by class. I've seen it before in other games. Seen something really cool that I could never use because it's 'class armor'. No thank you. Especially not in a game where class is far less important than your role and your build. Any class can fill any role. So why should I try to distinguish Dragonknights from everyone else before they use any abilities. Because Dragonknights are automatically tanks in heavy armor? Wrong. Or Templars. I suppose every Templar is a healer and thus an easy target? Wrong again. Class tells you absolutely nothing since you still can't see what's on their skill bar.

At the end of the day, I don't want to be pigeon holed into anything by my choice of class in a game that blurs the lines between classes. What would inevitably happen to me is that I'd absolutely hate the look of my class' racial motif and really love another class' motif, but be unable to equip it without rerolling. Not to mention it would make trying to sell gear incredibly overcomplicated. No longer would it just be 'I can't equip it yet b/c it's over my lvl'. Now you'd have to say, 'Oh sorry. I'd love that sword. But it's a Nightblade style and I'm a Templar. Darn'.

Stop setting up strawmen no one is saying every templar is a healer or every dragon knight is a tank, class does tell you absolutely nothing, so what wrong with giving classes a unique armor set if someone wants to use it and advertise their class? The option to use all 4 classes specific styles are there for you, just make one of those classes, or here's an idea, only the class that the motif is made for can use it, unless you know the style. So a templar could use dragon knight style armor if the templar knows the dragon knight motif, but maybe the class it was designed for gets a unique coloring of said style for being the proper class. Remember here we're talking about styles, not tier armor that has to be bound to a specific class, this isn't WoW. It doesn't even have to be armor, it could be anything, I just want some way for me to be able to set myself apart from everyone else in this game visually, I'm a nightblade, I wanna feel and look like a nightblade, and be visually different from the other 3 classes.

@ArgonianAssassin‌ My point which you agree upon is that class tells you nothing. So why do you need to distinguish yourself based on class. Class is not a faction whereas race is. I am all for faction related Motifs. If you're going to open up class motifs to be usable by all other classes then it voids your entire motive for making yourself stand out as ___ class. If anyone can pretend to be you then it does not make you special.

Now if you want to make role motifs based on say the Aedra/Daedra or other factions, I could get behind that. So you want to look more like a Nightblade, do you mean a sneaky stealthy person. Perhaps there could be a Thieves Guild or Assassins Guild motif. I would love those. Or a motif for devotees of Nocturnal. That would be cool. Of course anyone could choose to wear it, but now you can show off your stealthy look and faction, but not necessarily your class. It's the role you're showing off here. Maybe you're playing a healer Nightblade and you'd want to have a Motif that proclaims you are a staunch follower of Arkay or Stendarr. Are you a tanky Nightblade shadow warrior who would rather go around in full on Fighters Guild regalia? Or maybe you're a battlemage and want to wear Mages Guild robes.

I just don't see class as that significant. My whole objection is based on being locked out of motifs because of an arbitrary decision on character creation. This is not the case with Racial Motifs for instance. If the motifs can be learned by anyone then I have no objections. However, I still feel there are a lot more interesting things that can be done with Motifs than simply make class based ones. I want to see a Dwemer Motif and an Akaviri Motif and a Draugr Motif and a Vampire Motif and a Priestess of Dibella Motif (b/c why not right)...

Given the classes are not actual parts of the "in world" setting, I don't really like this idea much.

The motifs as they exist now are all about the culture of the race and such, and making "class" ones doesn't fit with that at all.

And in fact, it doesn't make much sense given the motifs are literally books telling you about the cultural style of armor for that race, which there's no real analog to with classes, since the classes don't actually exist "in world".

TL;DR: I'd rather see more cultural styles that actually fit in with the system of motifs as they exist now - i.e., Akaviri, Colovian, Alessian, various Dunmer house/factions, Nedic...

devolutedub17_ESO wrote: »

What do you mean the classes don't exist in the world? They absolutely do exist, I can prove it. I have a templar. Therefore they exist.

They generally don't exist outside the construct of game mechanics, though nightblades as an archetype are mentioned in various ways in all Elder Scrolls games and lore as well as "templar" and "sorcerer" being colloquial terms for the type of individual they represent. They however aren't codified in-lore as specific schools or formally recognized constructs. Thus, they exist in the realm of game mechanics foremost, and not in lore per se.

I support additional cultural styles and making additional existing item styles craftable, e.g. light armor robes are the only craftable form right now, but tunics exist as loot drops. There's a vast amount of cultural lore to draw from to develop more motifs without making anything referencing classes.

nudel wrote: »

@ChairGraveyard‌ Agreed. They do not exist in the sense that NPCs do not consider them. They are not part of the lore and do not affect the world of Tamriel in any way whatsoever. I like motifs that fit factions and cultures as you put it, but not ones that refer to game design mechanics. People in Tamriel do not remark that you are a Nightblade or a Templar. They don't care. This information is meaningless to them. They do remark about your race or your alliance. And I imagine, based on previous games, they would care about your faction affiliations.

Bingo, precisely my reasoning. No one knows about classes "in world". We're all just adventurers.

I'd much rather see them expand the really really awesomely designed and well thought out cultural motif system than have them shoe-horn "out of world" information into it.

It would be *super weird* and incongruous to have motif books suddenly referring to out-of-world information, talking about classes and such. Not to mention... classes don't even define a style, not in this game anyway.

OP's request to me seems like it could be better fulfilled by having more cultural styles in general, so that people can find something that suits their character, and doesn't rely on putting out-of-world information into the game, or mandating that characters of a given class have only one certain style.