OBJnoob wrote: »

@fred4 i read your posts I think we understand each other. I’m curious where would nb fall on a class tier list for you? One like yours? One like mine? A talented stam ganker?

Arrgh. Judging by tonight's performance my build is crap. Everyone is so tanky and yet still dangerous. Oakensoul, despite the obvious damage increase, may have simplified my build too much. I need Merciless and Crushing Weapon back to build burst. Or something. Much as I love Zoal, I may need to try Balorgh to make the most of Oakensoul's ult gen. Or I need to actually ditch Caluurion and build for very high crit to make the most of Major + Minor Force.

I've been farming gear and getting into PvE tanking since we got the curated item drops. I also only play about half the classes in the game and only ever CP Cyro and IC. My experience is too limited for a tier list. Taking out my magplar and my stam DK last patch, I thought they felt stronger than I remembered, but I couldn't rank them.

I also care too much about how my builds play to concern myself that much with their performance. Your build wouldn't be good for me, because I like speed, I like dodge rolls, and I like flat sustain over the situational sustain from heavy armor. I cannot inhabit my character otherwise. I loathe heavy armor. I don't like the lack of sprint speed compared to medium, the lack of damage, the lack of flat sustain, the lack of roll dodge cost reduction. Everything about that armor type sucks and feels off whenever I try it. Phew! Sorry about that.

Many bruiser builds that are objectively strong also have low or situational sustain, partially rely on heavy attacks, are slow and rely on luring targets into favorable surroundings, such as resource towers. Some players size you up and seem like tanky noobs. They build ultimate and (try to) burst you down when they've fooled you into thinking that's what they are. Maybe they know they're too tanky and that's the only way they'll get you.

I'm not that guy. I'm just saying every build has limitations. I make different compromises. I'm squishy, but I have high sustain, very high speed and reasonably high damage. On my other classes I'm in medium or light armor as well, because I'm fundamentally a dodge roller and not a blocker. I had that "aha" moment on my magplar ages ago. Building tanky didn't work for me in duels with my friend, who pushes me very hard, but wearing Eternal Vigor or, these days, Wretched Vitality and using the stamina rune worked much better. At the same time and perhaps paradocically, I prefer a 1H+S back bar to recover from the brink when necessary. Also just makes for such a great ult on magplar.

It's really hard judging builds objectively, judging what might work for other people, when you have these inherent biases. A mobility / dodge rolling build always feels better to me than anything else. I used Eternal Hunt on my magblade years ago and found that better - or just plain stam sustain tbh - than every other possible defense. I believe most people have such biases, which are rooted in their evolution within the game and have made it into their muscle memory. This accounts for tier lists sometimes having marked differences and being somewhat pointless even as I watch them for the entertainment value.

Asylum DW looks really really good on magblade @fred4 with or without oakensoul.

Because magblade is the worst magicka class atm in both pve and pvp