xylena_lazarow wrote: »

No nerfs in the patch notes, just an acknowledgment that the ring is "popular" and... they made the grind slightly easier. Hey maybe we should go the other direction. Make Oakensoul literally mandatory for any PvP activity, like it won't even let you into Cyrodiil unless you have it equipped and keep it on! PvP is now balanced!

Hey, maybe it was meant to be! Bar swap doesn't work most of the time in PVP anyway.

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Nerf won't come til after console release, next pts. Like all the times before.

Took them a full year to nerf 25% Malacath. They must've regretted nerfing Gaze of Sithis so hard before release, and weren't about to make the same "mistake" with this year's chase mythic. It's gonna keep selling copies too...

Forums: Major Heroism on item with huge downside is broken.
Also forums: let's put it on underused mythic with no downside 👌

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

sweatapodimas wrote: »

Perfectly balanced mythic item. NB and sorcs benefit from it, similar to malacath benefiting temps, wardens and DKs. Now you have to choose a little more damage or survival, instead of being unkillable and OP damage-wise (dks and templars mainly). Two button block>jabs>heal>jabs while eatting a sandwich should be over.

Losing a backbar for tanking DPS OP builds guts you a little. So I belive it is absolutely balanced in pvp.

BTW to those complaining constantly about stealth and gankers: Ganking should always be here, makes you watch your back (use detect pots to counter), gankers disrupt large groups reinforcing after a wipe, CREATES CHAOS etc. All a part of the strategy. Without them and streaking hit-and-run sorcs, the game turns into two cavemen bashing each other (smash smash block, ad nauseum). Boring Boring boring.

So wait. You mean to tell me that this benefits other classes more than DK and templars? Everyone else is telling me it's not the ring that's OP; but rather because it's OP DKs using it. Hmm....

You make a good point, one shot heavy attack DKs are SEEMINGLY OP, but they are as squishy as you can get. Remember also that they existed before this ring.

They are honorary gankers to me. Welcome to the darkside oneshot-DK-oakensouls .

BTW if they would get rid of the 400ms delay on incap/soul harvest/dawnbreaker/onslaught then maybe we could actually start balancing Nightblades instead of having to figure out how to reformulate after nerfs every patch. We are the hardest working character builders, and the best looking come to mention it, and the smartest. hahahaha...

Seriously

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

sweatapodimas wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

sweatapodimas wrote: »

Perfectly balanced mythic item. NB and sorcs benefit from it, similar to malacath benefiting temps, wardens and DKs. Now you have to choose a little more damage or survival, instead of being unkillable and OP damage-wise (dks and templars mainly). Two button block>jabs>heal>jabs while eatting a sandwich should be over.

Losing a backbar for tanking DPS OP builds guts you a little. So I belive it is absolutely balanced in pvp.

BTW to those complaining constantly about stealth and gankers: Ganking should always be here, makes you watch your back (use detect pots to counter), gankers disrupt large groups reinforcing after a wipe, CREATES CHAOS etc. All a part of the strategy. Without them and streaking hit-and-run sorcs, the game turns into two cavemen bashing each other (smash smash block, ad nauseum). Boring Boring boring.

So wait. You mean to tell me that this benefits other classes more than DK and templars? Everyone else is telling me it's not the ring that's OP; but rather because it's OP DKs using it. Hmm....

You make a good point, one shot heavy attack DKs are SEEMINGLY OP, but they are as squishy as you can get. Remember also that they existed before this ring.

They are honorary gankers to me. Welcome to the darkside oneshot-DK-oakensouls .

BTW if they would get rid of the 400ms delay on incap/soul harvest/dawnbreaker/onslaught then maybe we could actually start balancing Nightblades instead of having to figure out how to reformulate after nerfs every patch. We are the hardest working character builders, and the best looking come to mention it, and the smartest. hahahaha...

Seriously

I don't know if they are THAT squishy. Corrosive will be up when they attack, and when it's down; they could just use an invis pot and/or sneak away.

Guy in the vid uses pot between corrosive and first hit. And that makes sense, he needs stun immune to land other hits.

You rarely escape with invis pot anyway. Having no healing, he is so dead if someone blockhealed/dodged ult through and chased after.

At this point I'd be fine with just outright disabling all mythics in pvp. Pay to win has no place in bgs, ic, or cyro.

FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

If you ever thought that Corrosive + Oaken ultgain is broken, try Practiced Incantation

Ran into someone spamming that today. Their team was unkillable.

But hey, that's balanced and fine! Nothing to see here!

Looking forward to the next inevitable tank meta after this.

Every PVP discord I am in, thinks that oakensoul is too OP. These discords are across all pvp spectrums, small scalers, duelers, casuals, and even ball groups. Every other item these people thought was OP, also got nerfed over the years.

My personal experience as a small scaler, is that is that this mythic has caused Cyrodill to be even more zergier, which, I didn't think was possible. And it has made the environment more toxic.

The counterplay for many people I know has been to just not log on, which is a bummer since so many people had come back with the fixed servers.

@Aces-High-82 you are looking for the word "balanced". I have 3 oaken chars, none abuse heroism part of mythic. Because abusing ult gain is braindead easy mode.

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

Hexquisite wrote: »

Every PVP discord I am in, thinks that oakensoul is too OP. These discords are across all pvp spectrums, small scalers, duelers, casuals, and even ball groups. Every other item these people thought was OP, also got nerfed over the years.

I can have more damage, healing, damage mitigation and mobility on every two bar build EXCEPT on the perma corrosive build but that's a skill/class kit problem and not this mythics issue. Take away major heroism and it's dead for any pvp.

I think the thing people keep overlooking is the opportunity cost of running 1 bar compared to two and what Oakensoul allows within that to make a PVP (and PVE) rotations more efficient.

With a general two bar build, you have what? 3-4 damage skills, 1-2 heals, 4-5 active/slottable buff skills. 2 Ults (Usually 1 defensive 1 offensive)
If I engage in a fight on a two bar build I need to spend resources to buff myself up, and then, I need to maintain those buffs, all while spending resources, and bar swapping, which is another global cooldown. Every time I have to use a skill to keep my buffs up, I am spending resources and wasting a button press that could be used to attack.

With a one bar build, I can remove pretty much all of the buff skills from my bar. And everything else in my build slots right into that front bar with a few tweaks here and there. The only real choice I need to make is the ultimate. But, with heroism, whatever ultimate I choose is going to have a higher uptime that normal. Overall though, the oppurtunity cost of the 1 bar build is much, much lower. No need to bar swap, so no wasted GCDs, no need to maintain buffs, so no wasted GCDs or resources. I can be on the offensive far more frequently, and manage resources far more effectively, because I don't have to waste time casting skills to give me buffs that the ring now gives me with 100% uptime.

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

Hexquisite wrote: »

Every PVP discord I am in, thinks that oakensoul is too OP. These discords are across all pvp spectrums, small scalers, duelers, casuals, and even ball groups. Every other item these people thought was OP, also got nerfed over the years.

I can have more damage, healing, damage mitigation and mobility on every two bar build EXCEPT on the perma corrosive build but that's a skill/class kit problem and not this mythics issue. Take away major heroism and it's dead for any pvp.

I think the thing people keep overlooking is the opportunity cost of running 1 bar compared to two and what Oakensoul allows within that to make a PVP (and PVE) rotations more efficient.

With a general two bar build, you have what? 3-4 damage skills, 1-2 heals, 4-5 active/slottable buff skills. 2 Ults (Usually 1 defensive 1 offensive)
If I engage in a fight on a two bar build I need to spend resources to buff myself up, and then, I need to maintain those buffs, all while spending resources, and bar swapping, which is another global cooldown. Every time I have to use a skill to keep my buffs up, I am spending resources and wasting a button press that could be used to attack.

With a one bar build, I can remove pretty much all of the buff skills from my bar. And everything else in my build slots right into that front bar with a few tweaks here and there. The only real choice I need to make is the ultimate. But, with heroism, whatever ultimate I choose is going to have a higher uptime that normal. Overall though, the oppurtunity cost of the 1 bar build is much, much lower. No need to bar swap, so no wasted GCDs, no need to maintain buffs, so no wasted GCDs or resources. I can be on the offensive far more frequently, and manage resources far more effectively, because I don't have to waste time casting skills to give me buffs that the ring now gives me with 100% uptime.

Yeah bc ~1min duration on Ignious is very hard to manage as an, I have to admit, extreme example. Nowadays it's all about burst that are delivered in max 3gcd. Can't see why anyone competent should give up all utility and a 2nd set/monster set.

But people are already giving up monster sets to run two five pieces and a mythic. And no one is losing utility because that utility is now on the ring. Alongside Courage, Brutality, Force 100% uptime, something that was not possible before. And all that 3 gcd burst is still deliverable, but now much stronger and much more constant. Rather than bursting, not killing the player, having to bar swap and do something defensive, you can burst, fail, burst again immediately.

I absolutely love how I can do 45k dps with two buttons on a dummy now. But I can do double the amount with two bars. And your effectiveness in PvP works out totally fine against ppl which you can curbstomp whether you wear Oaken or not. On a equal level a two bar will outheal, outsustain and outdamage you.