Make Crystal Weapon Cost Magicka. Kill Two Birds with One Stone.
acastanza_ESO
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At this point it's pretty unambiguous that Stamina stacking Sorcerer is dramatically over-performing and that Magicka Stacking Sorcerer is significantly struggling to be competitive this patch.
Crystal Weapon was made into an actually unique ability that is both cool and really fun to play, however, it is substantially contributing to this issue. Making it more expensive in one of the later High Isle PTS revisions didn't to anything to fix the problem (if anything it might actually have made things worse since it made Crystal Weapon a perfect ability to use to proc Coral Riptide, I don't actually have evidence for this, but it could).
Making it more expensive also only made it even harder for Magicka stacking Sorcerer to be able to use this actually good spammable that the Sorcerer toolkit was finally given (Crystal Frags sucks to use as a spammable, it just does, it's clunky and makes you vulnerable if hard casting it).
Making Crystal Weapon cost Magicka solves this. Stamina Sorcerers will have a harder time infinitely casting it since it'll draw on their non-dominant resource pool, and Magicka Sorcerers will actually be able to afford to cast it reliably as a spammable which might satisfy some of the need for that subclass to get a buff. Reducing the cost back to what it was before the unsuccessful attempt to temper it on StamSorc would help keep it viable for StamSorc after making this change.
Kill two birds with one stone @ZOS_Gilliam .
Crystal Weapon was made into an actually unique ability that is both cool and really fun to play, however, it is substantially contributing to this issue. Making it more expensive in one of the later High Isle PTS revisions didn't to anything to fix the problem (if anything it might actually have made things worse since it made Crystal Weapon a perfect ability to use to proc Coral Riptide, I don't actually have evidence for this, but it could).
Making it more expensive also only made it even harder for Magicka stacking Sorcerer to be able to use this actually good spammable that the Sorcerer toolkit was finally given (Crystal Frags sucks to use as a spammable, it just does, it's clunky and makes you vulnerable if hard casting it).
Making Crystal Weapon cost Magicka solves this. Stamina Sorcerers will have a harder time infinitely casting it since it'll draw on their non-dominant resource pool, and Magicka Sorcerers will actually be able to afford to cast it reliably as a spammable which might satisfy some of the need for that subclass to get a buff. Reducing the cost back to what it was before the unsuccessful attempt to temper it on StamSorc would help keep it viable for StamSorc after making this change.
Kill two birds with one stone @ZOS_Gilliam .
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would actually like Crystal Weapon to cost Magicka. Alternatively the removal of Crystal Frags' cast time would be a nice solution.
I will say that you can currently stack into Max Magicka and use Crystal Weapon. That is my preferred build at the moment. I'm playing an Altmer, so I need to stack Mag for the 2k racial bonus to affect damage, and as a result the Spell Recharge passive gives me back stamina to help sustain. It's only sustainable in medium armor and when using Weapon Power Potions (which match the weapon power enchants on my jewelry), and even then I occasionally need to use Dark Deal (which is fine with a massive magicka pool). My stamina pool is a little low, but Sugar Skulls helps this problem. For content where max health is not needed Crunchy Spider Skewer is a great choice. The build works well with most sets, including Tzogvin, Kinras, AY, Alkosh, Sul-Xan, Coral Riptide and Burning Spellweave (with it's max mag line). It's not as great with Relequen because the line of Stamina doesn't give any damage.3 -
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✭✭✭✭@WrathOfInnos yeah, it's not impossible to pull off a crystal weapon build on MagSorc, if anything you have to to be even remotely competitive, it's just messy and doesn't work nearly as well as just going all-in to Stamina (which isn't a solution - Altmer make the worst Sorcerers now?! Come on ZOS.)
Crystal Frags getting a big buff (like, no cast time and Proc'ed frags stunning again) would be a good solution as well. I love how High Isle literally only buffed Stamina Sorcerer while actually nerfing straight Magicka Sorcerer with the proc chance reduction
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Thecompton73✭✭✭✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »@WrathOfInnos yeah, it's not impossible to pull off a crystal weapon build on MagSorc, if anything you have to to be even remotely competitive, it's just messy and doesn't work nearly as well as just going all-in to Stamina (which isn't a solution - Altmer make the worst Sorcerers now?! Come on ZOS.)
Crystal Frags getting a big buff (like, no cast time and Proc'ed frags stunning again) would be a good solution as well. I love how High Isle literally only buffed Stamina Sorcerer while actually nerfing straight Magicka Sorcerer with the proc chance reduction .
What's really nonsensical about the nerf to the proc chance on Frags is they did it to "balance" the fact it can now be proc'ed with stamina skills. But they did that in the very same patch they buffed C weapon so much that no Stam Sorc in their right mind would ever choose to run C frags now. So essentially they nerfed a Mag Sorc skill to make it more palatable for a stam build that will never choose to run it anyway.
Before the patch dropped I thought "eh 2 percent, no big deal". But then I played my Mag Sorc after the patch and every time I reached that point in my rotation where I'd usually cast the proc'ed frags it was almost never up. In practice if feels more like 10-15 percent nerf to the chance.Edited by Thecompton73 on 15 June 2022 19:424 -
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✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »I would actually like Crystal Weapon to cost Magicka. Alternatively the removal of Crystal Frags' cast time would be a nice solution.
I will say that you can currently stack into Max Magicka and use Crystal Weapon. That is my preferred build at the moment. I'm playing an Altmer, so I need to stack Mag for the 2k racial bonus to affect damage, and as a result the Spell Recharge passive gives me back stamina to help sustain. It's only sustainable in medium armor and when using Weapon Power Potions (which match the weapon power enchants on my jewelry), and even then I occasionally need to use Dark Deal (which is fine with a massive magicka pool). My stamina pool is a little low, but Sugar Skulls helps this problem. For content where max health is not needed Crunchy Spider Skewer is a great choice. The build works well with most sets, including Tzogvin, Kinras, AY, Alkosh, Sul-Xan, Coral Riptide and Burning Spellweave (with it's max mag line). It's not as great with Relequen because the line of Stamina doesn't give any damage.
I would really like to see the removal of the frags cast time, but i don't like a change to magicka cost for crystal weapon.
the way it currently is there are 2 distinct options for different builds. if you want to run more medium armour then a stam spammable makes sense, while for a light armour build the magicka spammable makes sense.
I'm running pretty much exactly the build you are with the standard double inferno staff and really like it. mind you i was running this build last patch before the CW buff because i liked the way it synergised with medium armour sets which in general i think are far better than the light armour sets.
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I would really like to see the removal of the frags cast time, but i don't like a change to magicka cost for crystal weapon.
the way it currently is there are 2 distinct options for different builds. if you want to run more medium armour then a stam spammable makes sense, while for a light armour build the magicka spammable makes sense.
I'm running pretty much exactly the build you are with the standard double inferno staff and really like it. mind you i was running this build last patch before the CW buff because i liked the way it synergised with medium armour sets which in general i think are far better than the light armour sets.
Yandir is basically better BSW imo.
If medium armor is "far better" than light armor that is, in itself, a problem.
What exactly makes medium armor need to have a Stam based spammable?
Do you dispute that StamSorc is overperforming and MagSorc is, relatively, underperforming?
If you perform a "meta" roatation with Crystal Weapon on a MagSorc in PVE you will run out of Stam and Die at the first mechanic that needs a roll dodge unless you're skipping crystal weapons. If you run Crystal Weapon on a MagSorc in PVP with anything short of Sugar Skulls, you will run out of stam and die in the first enemy CC. It simply is not effective as a spammable on a magicka stacking character without MAJOR cost to your survivability, a drawback that StamSorc doesn't have even though it is by far the "meta" sorcerer right now.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »I would actually like Crystal Weapon to cost Magicka. Alternatively the removal of Crystal Frags' cast time would be a nice solution.
I will say that you can currently stack into Max Magicka and use Crystal Weapon. That is my preferred build at the moment. I'm playing an Altmer, so I need to stack Mag for the 2k racial bonus to affect damage, and as a result the Spell Recharge passive gives me back stamina to help sustain. It's only sustainable in medium armor and when using Weapon Power Potions (which match the weapon power enchants on my jewelry), and even then I occasionally need to use Dark Deal (which is fine with a massive magicka pool). My stamina pool is a little low, but Sugar Skulls helps this problem. For content where max health is not needed Crunchy Spider Skewer is a great choice. The build works well with most sets, including Tzogvin, Kinras, AY, Alkosh, Sul-Xan, Coral Riptide and Burning Spellweave (with it's max mag line). It's not as great with Relequen because the line of Stamina doesn't give any damage.
I would really like to see the removal of the frags cast time, but i don't like a change to magicka cost for crystal weapon.
the way it currently is there are 2 distinct options for different builds. if you want to run more medium armour then a stam spammable makes sense, while for a light armour build the magicka spammable makes sense.
I'm running pretty much exactly the build you are with the standard double inferno staff and really like it. mind you i was running this build last patch before the CW buff because i liked the way it synergised with medium armour sets which in general i think are far better than the light armour sets.
Yandir is basically better BSW imo.
It's not terrible in the current state, but I think even for a medium armor "stam" build I'd prefer Crystal Weapon to cost Mag. I often avoid using Stampede and Carve and replace them with Wall and Orb because stamina sustain is difficult with the cost of Crystal Weapon. Options are always nice though, one morph of each resource would be great if Crystal Frags was not so far behind.0 -
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✭Or maybe let Crystal Fragment have two procs, you know to keep it consistent with Crystal Weapon.
One proc is too low and not worth slotting it anymore, and now with 32% proc chance it is even worse.5 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭I think change only made to bring back some streamers. This skill is too op right now if it’s work . All mage sorc run this skill now 😆. Don’t even bother. Zos won’t make this change. Just add some stamina recovery.0
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✭Stam specs finally, and I do mean finally get a unique and useable alternate morph and like clockwork;
Magic specs who have had the only useable morph of this skill for 80% of this games life cycle want it changed to Magica
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✭No.
Unless you want to give our stam sorcs another unique spammable from their own toolkit in exchange.Owner and proprietor of the Northern Elsweyr Guar Reserve and The Hunting Grounds Guar Reserve, Tamriel's home to all things guar.See the embedded brochures for all information regarding our reserves, as well as our collection status!2 -
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✭BloodyStigmata wrote: »No.
Unless you want to give our stam sorcs another unique spammable from their own toolkit in exchange.
PLESE DO THAT i hateeee cyrstal weapon so badly, all i wanted was a spammable like veileds trike, not a psijic crushing weapon 2.0
Edited by francesinhalover on 27 June 2022 18:25I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
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✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »I would actually like Crystal Weapon to cost Magicka. Alternatively the removal of Crystal Frags' cast time would be a nice solution.
Yes, please remove the Crystal Frag cast time. Or at the very, very least, halve the cast time and make it so it doesn't interfere with bar swapping.1 -
Hawkeye✭✭✭✭Stam specs finally, and I do mean finally get a unique and useable alternate morph and like clockwork;
Magic specs who have had the only useable morph of this skill for 80% of this games life cycle want it changed to Magica
You can please some of the people most of the and most of the people some of the time but you can’t please all of the people all of the time
This! Magica has ALWAYS been the front runner. It is about dang time that us stam players get some love too. Time for you guys to learn to build around a weakness like Stam players have to do.What is the definition of insanity? Ask ZOS.1 -
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✭✭✭✭I'd much prefer endless fury changed from an execute to a spammable and wrath left as the execute.
@acastanza_ESO "If you perform a "meta" roatation with Crystal Weapon on a MagSorc in PVE you will run out of Stam and Die at the first mechanic that needs a roll dodge unless you're skipping crystal weapons." this is objectively false since i've been running it on my magsorc. unless by "meta" rotation you mean spamming multiple crystal weapons in a row which is bad.
the real downsides to a max mag, crystal weapon build is that there isn't max health, max mag, stam regen food so the only option that works is max mag and stam regen food
last patch i could run tri-stat food with inner light and sustain crystal weapon with tri-pots. now i can't0