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DK pain points
ArcVelarian
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This last update has been a great indirect buff for DKs that has opened up a lot of play-styles, but there remains a few points that are still crimping the opportunities for build diversity.
Issues:
Solutions:
1. Take Molten Whip's weapon/spell damage buff and use it to replace Warmth's current functionality.
2. Allow Seething Fury to be triggered by all DK's class abilities.
3. Make Stone Giant into a falcon punch. For clarification, only the first cast would be a gap closer.
Issues:
- The Molten Whip's weapon/spell damage buff is crucial to sooo many DK builds. The fact that it's consumed by Molten Whip really disincentives the use of the ability itself in the rotation.
- Seething Fury is only triggered by Ardent Flame abilities, limiting build diversity.
- Stone Giant. Oh boy... It's hard to LA with, the 0.6 Second Cast time makes everything worse, the stomp doesn't synergize with the current DK toolkit, the Stomp makes it hard to use in PvP outside of a joke build, and putting the stun at the final cast doesn't help.
Solutions:
1. Take Molten Whip's weapon/spell damage buff and use it to replace Warmth's current functionality.
2. Allow Seething Fury to be triggered by all DK's class abilities.
3. Make Stone Giant into a falcon punch. For clarification, only the first cast would be a gap closer.
Murphy's Law of PvP : If it can be abused and or exploited, it will be abused and or exploited.
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Sparxlost✭✭✭maybe the second cast of stone giant could be the stomp instead of another gap closing punch0 -
VarisVaris✭✭✭✭✭The only pain point related to DK right now is magdk being completely over performing in pvp due to al the buffs that have been thrown it's way in the last year.
Corrosive being hybridized
Power lash having no cd
Embers being a hot
Charged buff
Combustion buff
Battle roar buff
The class is desperately in need of proper nerfs to balance and give it back some actual gameplay identity rather than being a God around mortals7 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭These aren't even pain points anymore, and why in the world would we wanna take Magma Whip's defining feature and make it universal across everything?!?
I might be a DK main, but I think we don't need any more power. Bring everyone below us up to our level and then we can discuss this. I really don't wanna get nerfed.Edited by Vevvev on 5 April 2022 15:36PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK4 -
DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gonna get some push back on this because of where they are on the pecking order in PVP. Two patches in a row DKs have been given multiple buffs already at no cost.I drink and I stream things.0 -
ArcVelarian✭✭✭✭✭These aren't even pain points anymore, and why in the world would we wanna take Magma Whip's defining feature and make it universal across everything?!?
I might be a DK main, but I think we don't need any more power. Bring everyone below us up to our level and then we can discuss this. I really don't wanna get nerfed.
You can't honestly tell me that you actually think Stone Giant is in a good anything at the moment. The ability needs to be fundamentally redesigned.
Murphy's Law of PvP : If it can be abused and or exploited, it will be abused and or exploited.0 -
ArcVelarian✭✭✭✭✭VarisVaris wrote: »The only pain point related to DK right now is magdk being completely over performing in pvp due to al the buffs that have been thrown it's way in the last year.
Corrosive being hybridized
Power lash having no cd
Embers being a hot
Charged buff
Combustion buff
Battle roar buff
The class is desperately in need of proper nerfs to balance and give it back some actual gameplay identity rather than being a God around mortals
I get the feeling you would still be crowing for DK nerfs even if the Class wasn't in a reasonable place for the first time in years. MagDK's performance is being dramatically boosted by overtuned FOTM sets.
Murphy's Law of PvP : If it can be abused and or exploited, it will be abused and or exploited.1 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ArcVelarian wrote: »These aren't even pain points anymore, and why in the world would we wanna take Magma Whip's defining feature and make it universal across everything?!?
I might be a DK main, but I think we don't need any more power. Bring everyone below us up to our level and then we can discuss this. I really don't wanna get nerfed.
You can't honestly tell me that you actually think Stone Giant is in a good anything at the moment. The ability needs to be fundamentally redesigned.
It never should've existed. Bring me back old Stone Giant and I'll be happy. I miss my 5-10k+ magic damage, minor resolve giving, 28 meter range stun.
I honestly hated having to move to Petrify and it's morphs, and feel like the most fun I had with DK before this current patch was Summerset. Elemental Weapon + old Entropy + old Stone Giant with the Spell Strategist set was fun.Edited by Vevvev on 5 April 2022 22:59PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK2 -
VarisVaris✭✭✭✭✭ArcVelarian wrote: »VarisVaris wrote: »The only pain point related to DK right now is magdk being completely over performing in pvp due to al the buffs that have been thrown it's way in the last year.
Corrosive being hybridized
Power lash having no cd
Embers being a hot
Charged buff
Combustion buff
Battle roar buff
The class is desperately in need of proper nerfs to balance and give it back some actual gameplay identity rather than being a God around mortals
I get the feeling you would still be crowing for DK nerfs even if the Class wasn't in a reasonable place for the first time in years. MagDK's performance is being dramatically boosted by overtuned FOTM sets.
A reasonable place?
The class is so ridiculously overperforming right now and it is not just due to sets.
Magdk is so broken that even the worst players out there could win duels wearing viper+seducer.
I have been playing magdk for years and what Zos turned magdk into is an overtuned abomination that has lost everything that made the class enjoyable or balanced.
If one says that magdk is balanced they are either lying or are a genuine bad player who should never partake in any balance discussion.4 -
ArcVelarian wrote: »This last update has been a great indirect buff for DKs that has opened up a lot of play-styles, but there remains a few points that are still crimping the opportunities for build diversity.
Issues:- The Molten Whip's weapon/spell damage buff is crucial to sooo many DK builds. The fact that it's consumed by Molten Whip really disincentives the use of the ability itself in the rotation.
- Seething Fury is only triggered by Ardent Flame abilities, limiting build diversity.
- Stone Giant. Oh boy... It's hard to LA with, the 0.6 Second Cast time makes everything worse, the stomp doesn't synergize with the current DK toolkit, the Stomp makes it hard to use in PvP outside of a joke build, and putting the stun at the final cast doesn't help.
Solutions:
1. Take Molten Whip's weapon/spell damage buff and use it to replace Warmth's current functionality.
2. Allow Seething Fury to be triggered by all DK's class abilities.
3. Make Stone Giant into a falcon punch. For clarification, only the first cast would be a gap closer.
I am a dk main and these changes would make dk absolutely busted in PvE and PvP but PvE especially. They are in a fantastic spot as is any more buffs is overkill to be honest.
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Hescrow✭✭VarisVaris wrote: »The only pain point related to DK right now is magdk being completely over performing in pvp due to al the buffs that have been thrown it's way in the last year.
Corrosive being hybridized
Power lash having no cd
Embers being a hot
Charged buff
Combustion buff
Battle roar buff
The class is desperately in need of proper nerfs to balance and give it back some actual gameplay identity rather than being a God around mortals
Same for magplar. I see daedra and aedra amoung mortals haha0