Is player damage reduction broken?

Texecutioner187 · February 2022

I saw a group of 10-12 blues attacking a single yellow on an IC flag, just standing there. No skills being cast, no blocking or introspection, not dying, health bar barely moving.... How is this possible???

Kwoung · February 2022

There is a very good possibility he was casting, you just couldn't see the animations... it being Cyrodiil and all.

milllaurie · February 2022

There are a lot of cheese skills and sets to be an unkillable tank.

Almalexia's mercy
Harbinger
Cyrodiil's Crest
Battalion defender
Crimson twilight (if a lot if enemies are around u)
Corrosive armor skill for dk
Spell wall ultimate in s&b skill line
Restoration staff ultimate Life Giver

Combine any 3 of these - you can take quite a beating. Add bloodspawn on a dk - you can gain ult incredibly quick and only have a few seconds colldown on corrosive. If it is also an argonian you can sustain on tripots only.

Texecutioner187 · February 2022

milllaurie wrote: »

There are a lot of cheese skills and sets to be an unkillable tank.

Almalexia's mercy
Harbinger
Cyrodiil's Crest
Battalion defender
Crimson twilight (if a lot if enemies are around u)
Corrosive armor skill for dk
Spell wall ultimate in s&b skill line
Restoration staff ultimate Life Giver

Combine any 3 of these - you can take quite a beating. Add bloodspawn on a dk - you can gain ult incredibly quick and only have a few seconds colldown on corrosive. If it is also an argonian you can sustain on tripots only.

Good point on some of these sets, but a few of them require you to block and the Crimson skills also casts AOEs to avoid. This guy was standing there doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He could have been AFK for all I know based on what it looked like. I can't visualize how that's done. I know Damage Mitigation is multiplicative so it's not like anyone is running around with 100% damage mitigation...

xylena_lazarow · February 2022

Healing (defense in general) out-scales every other PvP mechanic by a wide margin at this point.

Texecutioner187 wrote: »

I know Damage Mitigation is multiplicative so it's not like anyone is running around with 100% damage mitigation...

These % mitigation buffs result in a linear EHP (Effective Hit Points) increase, google it if you need a primer.

Texecutioner187 · February 2022

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Healing (defense in general) out-scales every other PvP mechanic by a wide margin at this point

That's fair, but out of the sets mentioned above, majority of them require blocking. Also, Almalexia is light... I can't imagine they had light armor on?

I am not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that this guy in IC was standing there, not performing any actions, no skills or telegraphs... he may have been AFK for all I know. Two different zergs couldn't take him down.

If it helps, he was Argonian and had Ice/Resto equipped.

xylena_lazarow · February 2022

Texecutioner187 wrote: »

this guy in IC was standing there, not performing any actions, no skills or telegraphs... he may have been AFK for all I know. Two different zergs couldn't take him down.

There's a number of ways to build "troll tanks" that can stand there tanking 10+ especially on Templar where most of it comes from just standing inside Rune + Ritual and alternating casts of Rapid Regen + Living Dark. Yes, it's busted.

Texecutioner187 · February 2022

I guess then on that note - not seeing the guy cast any skills, I'd be interested to theorycraft a similar build so I can transition between tankiness and damage a bit more. But ideally when I theorycraft, I start with one extreme and slowly hybridize its function. Any idea what sets would require literally ZERO input from the user while being indestructible?

xylena_lazarow · February 2022

Texecutioner187 wrote: »

I guess then on that note - not seeing the guy cast any skills, I'd be interested to theorycraft a similar build so I can transition between tankiness and damage a bit more. But ideally when I theorycraft, I start with one extreme and slowly hybridize its function. Any idea what sets would require literally ZERO input from the user while being indestructible?

Were the guys beating on the tank a disorganized casual PvE group?

Texecutioner187 · February 2022

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Texecutioner187 wrote: »

I guess then on that note - not seeing the guy cast any skills, I'd be interested to theorycraft a similar build so I can transition between tankiness and damage a bit more. But ideally when I theorycraft, I start with one extreme and slowly hybridize its function. Any idea what sets would require literally ZERO input from the user while being indestructible?

Were the guys beating on the tank a disorganized casual PvE group?

Nope, it was two different zergs of what appeared to be various PVP players. I do know that one of those groups was relatively seasoned PVP players but the guy still wasn't moving nor was he taking damage. He did cast introspection after everyone gave up on killing him but while being attacked, he didn't do anything.

xylena_lazarow · February 2022

Texecutioner187 wrote: »

Nope, it was two different zergs of what appeared to be various PVP players. I do know that one of those groups was relatively seasoned PVP players but the guy still wasn't moving nor was he taking damage. He did cast introspection after everyone gave up on killing him but while being attacked, he didn't do anything.

Sorry I wouldn't know the exact setup, these sort of builds need to be meatbagged to die in Cyro, but they also can't kill anyone themselves. You can stack such an insane amount of healing via passive HoTs (and the problem gets exponentially worse when you have groups doing it). That's what you're likely observing, not any issue with damage reduction.

vindex9ona · February 2022

How do you know he had ice/destro equipped if he wasn’t doing anything nor casting any skill at all.

vindex9ona · February 2022

Ice/resto*

Texecutioner187 · February 2022

vindex9ona wrote: »

Ice/resto*

No clue, that's what someone else in my group said that stuck around longer than I did lol.

What passive HoTs are you referring to?

Xarc · February 2022

I think, if as you said he was like "afk", he must have receive heals from another player(s) or maybe he had a shield up combined to his strong build and big health maybe ?

Texecutioner187 · February 2022

Xarc wrote: »

I think, if as you said he was like "afk", he must have receive heals from another player(s) or maybe he had a shield up combined to his strong build and big health maybe ?

He was not AFK, but he was in an "AFK-like state". He was simply standing there, not receiving any heals, not casting any skills, neither class nor weapon, but when everyone decided to stop fighting him, he cast Introspection. So he wasn't away, he was just standing idle as if he WERE away.

Texecutioner187 · February 2022

Kwoung wrote: »

There is a very good possibility he was casting, you just couldn't see the animations... it being Cyrodiil and all.

Even though it was Imp City? I'm guessing there are casting animations that don't show in Cyro? ..... Bug or "feature"?

Kwoung · February 2022

Texecutioner187 wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

There is a very good possibility he was casting, you just couldn't see the animations... it being Cyrodiil and all.

Even though it was Imp City? I'm guessing there are casting animations that don't show in Cyro? ..... Bug or "feature"?

Same difference when it is full. I don't even see my own animations half the time.

Kaysha · February 2022

Was this on PC or console?

Texecutioner187 · February 2022

Was on console, Xbox.

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